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Old Jun 19, 2008, 08:27 PM   #76
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I can only imagine how powerful the 4870 is gonna be.. 4870X2 is probably gonna be the performance crown. I myself am gonna buy a 4850 with a nice cooler and OC it..
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I'm ordering from FX tonight...if they have any left. I plan on replacing cooler, and overclocking

Edit: Just ordered a VisionTek HD4850....I'm excited
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Old Jun 19, 2008, 08:29 PM   #77
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RAWR just sold my 3870, time to order a 4850 I think
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4870 will probably just be a higher clocked 4850 so performance gains will not be that significant.
DDR5 and 1gb of memory on the 4870. Its more than just an oc'd 50 this time around.
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OK, final results of summary scores from 3 sources:



Results of ATI vs. ATI

1./ 4850 is 31.9% faster than 3870 when scaling to a high resolution with low shader demand (Hardware.fr at 1920x1200)
2./ About 48.1% faster than 3870 at common resolutions with low shader demand (TPU at 1600x1200)
3./ About 64.8% faster than 3870 at common resolutions with high shader demand (Computerbase.de 1600x1200).

Conclusion

A. 4870 SOLVES the performance brick wall that hit 3870 at 1600x1200 when scaling shaders
B. 4870 improves but doesnt solve performance scaling to very high resolutions e.g. 1920x1200 and above

Results of nVidia vs. nVidia

1./ Across all benchmarks 8800GTX and 9800GTX are identical (although some differences in any one test)
2./ GTX280 is 56.5% faster on average than 8800GTX/9800GTX

Results of ATI vs. nVidia

1./ 4850 is faster than 8800/9800 by 7.2% on average
2./ GTX280 remains king by a lead of 44.4% over 4850

Conclusion ATI vs. nVidia
A. With GTX280>4850 by 44.4% and 4850>3870 by 48.2% then GTX280 is approximately "one generation ahead" in performance terms over 4850
B. With price point of $199 for 4850, nVidia need to get 8800/9800 down to $199 pretty fast or everyone (in the know) will move over to ATI
C. The GTX280 is simply an amazing performer in every case

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Nice comprehensive conclusions. Also we could dive into memory and compare 8800 to 7900/X1900 back when it was launched and right now. And remember how overall 8800 was around 50% faster than the old ones at launch and now is twice as fast if not more. That also means IMHO:

A. RV770 is probably at least twice as fast as RV670.

B. GT200 is probably twice as fast as RV770.

C. There's a big bottleneck around the performance shown by the 9800 GX2, which more or less coincides (strangely enough) with the performance of GTX 280, 9800 GTX SLI, 8800 GT/GTS SLI and even 9600 GT SLI and many times the HD3870 X2 and GTX 260 (on the low), while we know that there's a big difference between the single cards. CrossfireX and Tri/Quad SLI didn't scale a lot better than that "mark", despite it's total power being theoretically a lot higher. In the recent past we talked about (and blamed) multi-GPU scaling, but it happens now that single cards with double the theoretical power run as fast as the dual GPU configurations of "half" powered cards in both Nvidia and Ati. Take into account that a bottleneck is not an static cap, but rather a limiter that is more severe as you increase the power and you have the answer right there.

That's my opinion anyway.
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Old Jun 19, 2008, 08:45 PM   #80
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Are the quake 4 benches right, the fps seem way to low on NV hardware, even the GX2 looks crap.

please read the comments .. i preemptively posted a comment stating that those numbers are valid. i was surprised myself. might be the strange way q4 does aa and the new way ati does aa on the rv770
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Old Jun 19, 2008, 09:27 PM   #81
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Old Jun 19, 2008, 09:37 PM   #82
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OK, final results of summary scores from 34 sources:




A. 4870 SOLVES the performance brick wall that hit 3870 at 1600x1200 when scaling shaders
B. 4870 improves but doesnt solve performance scaling to very high resolutions e.g. 1920x1200 and above

Results of nVidia vs. nVidia

1./ Across all benchmarks 8800GTX and 9800GTX are identical (although some differences in any one test)
2./ GTX280 is 60.0% faster on average than 8800GTX/9800GTX

Results of ATI vs. nVidia

1./ 4850 is faster than 8800/9800 by 4.9% on average
2./ GTX280 remains king by a lead of 50.8% over 4850
3./ At über resolutions 2560x1600 GTX280 is 70% faster than 4850

Conclusion ATI vs. nVidia
A. With GTX280>4850 by 50.8% and 4850>3870 by 45.5% then GTX280 is approximately "one generation ahead" in performance terms over 4850
B. With price point of $199 for 4850, nVidia need to get 8800/9800 down to $199 pretty fast or everyone (in the know) will move over to ATI
C. The GTX280 is simply an amazing performer in every case, even more so at über resolutions like Cinema 30"

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Thing is you can get 3 4850's for the price of the GTX 280. In my case could get 2 and be pretty setup.the GTX 280 is a better card but not at it's price range which makes it a worse card.
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Congrats to ATI on this release, they really have taken the fight to NV now, i still cant get over the cards AA/AF performance, its simply amazing, i didn't think i would go back to ATI after my GT but the 4870 is on the cards for me now.
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I want that HIS one unless PALiT releases theirs in the next week.
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It wasn't Nvidia who had dictated advertised video card pricing or was Ati?

Wow so many cards and all selling for the exact same price.
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Old Jun 19, 2008, 10:32 PM   #90
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Man, I love AMD/ATi. I bet anyone with $400 to blow on a new video card is very happy right now. CrossFire FTMFW. Get that GTX280 mess outta here.

Edit: Anyone looking for some 3870's? I may have a couple for sale. :P
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beats the 8800GTS for less $$$, nice!

Very pleasantly surprised with those first game benchies. The 4850 actually beats the 8800 GTS in most tests, especially at 1600x1200 and above. It didn't look like it at first sight with 3DMark, which just shows you can't really rely on it. Very exciting little product we've got here .
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I would like some AMD 790FX benchmarks with the 9850 Phen.

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More HD4850's hit the market, along with the Palit HD4850
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A Newegg "review"

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He gave it 2 eggs and says "its OK"

Pros: Its an OK card, nothing special.

Cons: Old tech. I would rather have a 8800GT from the other guys. Cheaper and same performance

Other Thoughts: Nice try, but no cigar. I am already selling it to get a GT. I had my hopes up for this series, but it looks like AMD loses again :/

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WTF! This is utter desperation. I hope it's just some pathetic nvidia fanboi. funny how many folks found the review helpful. "I would rather have a 8800GT", I have an 8800GT and so wish i could get rid of it for some 4850 sweetness. Thumbs way up to the boys in red. Get a life Bobby D and stay off the crack or meth, whatever it is

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6/19/2008 4:52:02 PM
He gave it 2 eggs and says "its OK"

Pros: Its an OK card, nothing special.

Cons: Old tech. I would rather have a 8800GT from the other guys. Cheaper and same performance

Other Thoughts: Nice try, but no cigar. I am already selling it to get a GT. I had my hopes up for this series, but it looks like AMD loses again :/

0 out of 27 people found this review helpful. Did you? Yes No


WTF! This is utter desperation. I hope it's just some pathetic nvidia fanboi. funny how many folks found the review helpful. "I would rather have a 8800GT", I have an 8800GT and so wish i could get rid of it for some 4850 sweetness. Thumbs way up to the boys in red. Get a life Bobby D and stay off the crack or meth, whatever it is

what a loser. ATI WINS THIS TIME!
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A Newegg "review"

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6/19/2008 4:52:02 PM
He gave it 2 eggs and says "its OK"

Pros: Its an OK card, nothing special.

Cons: Old tech. I would rather have a 8800GT from the other guys. Cheaper and same performance

Other Thoughts: Nice try, but no cigar. I am already selling it to get a GT. I had my hopes up for this series, but it looks like AMD loses again :/

0 out of 27 people found this review helpful. Did you? Yes No


WTF! This is utter desperation. I hope it's just some pathetic nvidia fanboi. funny how many folks found the review helpful. "I would rather have a 8800GT", I have an 8800GT and so wish i could get rid of it for some 4850 sweetness. Thumbs way up to the boys in red. Get a life Bobby D and stay off the crack or meth, whatever it is

Needless to say, the minds of some nvidiots are twisted fallacies
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i'm waiting for the palit cooler on that card , not reference crap.
Lets just order from Canada, and get the Palit card! Only way to get those babies! Unless Palit_Guy has something in store for us US people!?!?
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Lets just order from Canada, and get the Palit card! Only way to get those babies! Unless Palit_Guy has something in store for us US people!?!?
I heard they are coming. Non-reference design well I don't know about that one.
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I heard they are coming. Non-reference design well I don't know about that one.
Well, whenever they come out..whatever card for the US.. I'll be going to grab one! All ways wanted to have a ATI Palit card!
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