Poor 4870X2 Performance

stordoff · Aug 24, 2008, 01:55 PM

Clean vista install - Catalyst 8.8 Drivers

Furmark has the same performance as a HD3850 ( http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=40981 )

3DMark06 run doesn't complete, black screen and reboots after the first test (Return to Proxycon)

Any one know what could be causing this?

Lionheart · Aug 24, 2008, 02:04 PM

hmmmm dont know much about benchmarking man, but you should defanetly overclock that CPU of yourse to gain more performance out of it, not for games but for benchmarking and everyday use, you would notice a big difference, but about the low scores, not quite sure, maybe your car is being bottlenecked but maybe someone else would, anyways goodluck finding how, later

stordoff · Aug 24, 2008, 02:09 PM

Yeh, I normally run the Q6600 at 3.0GHz, just reset everything to stock when I got my 4870X2. Doesn't explain the poor Furmark and 3DMark crashes though.

Found this result for comparision:
Furmark v1.4 Fullscreen
Score: 5846
FPS Min:87
FPS Max:132
FPS Avg:98
Time: 60000ms
Res: 1280x1024 / MSAA: 0x
Renderer: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2
Active GPUs: 2
Drivers: 5.2.3790.1830 - Catalyst 0
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.4Ghz
CPU Speed: 2400MHz

tomcug · Aug 24, 2008, 02:09 PM

You have to update your motherboard's BIOS to the latest one and install latest drivers. You should also overclock your CPU to about 3,2GHz.

stordoff · Aug 24, 2008, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcug

You have to update your motherboard's BIOS to the latest one and install latest drivers. You should also overclock your CPU to about 3,2GHz.

Done, done and done. OC the CPU made no difference, drivers and the BIOS were already the latest. Thanks for the input though

kid41212003 · Aug 24, 2008, 02:13 PM

Did you know that Furmark test is OpenGL? Maybe drivers not optimized for OpenGL yet.

Lionheart · Aug 24, 2008, 02:16 PM

futuremark, i bet nvidia bribed them to use their arcitecture

alexp999 · Aug 24, 2008, 02:17 PM

What temps are you getting during furmark and 3dmark? Sounds like it could be that, if everything is running stock

stordoff · Aug 24, 2008, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kid41212003

Did you know that Furmark test is OpenGL? Maybe drivers not optimized for OpenGL yet.

The other result I posted was also on a 4870X2, yet I got half the score. Of a greater concern is crash in 3DMark06

Edit: Just checked the temps after five minutes of Furmark - 87 degrees C. Is this in the correct range for this card?

Any chance my PSU could be causing this? 12V rail is 12.15v idle, 12.18v whilst Furmark is running. (DMM) This doesn't seem to high, just checking

boogah · Aug 24, 2008, 05:53 PM

furmark doesn't do crossfire. Run something like 3dmark06 and vantage.

Fitseries3 · Aug 24, 2008, 06:00 PM

8.8 drivers sucks. use the 8.7

stordoff · Aug 24, 2008, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogah

furmark doesn't do crossfire. Run something like 3dmark06 and vantage.

Even so, I get about half the score of someone else with a Q6600 and a 4870X2. 3DMark06 won't complete (reboots after first test)

Doesn't matter now, RMAing the card - it started artifacting in games

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitseries3

8.8 drivers sucks. use the 8.7

Tried both (and the one on the disk supplied), almost identical results

Aug 24, 2008, 06:03 PM

sounds like it burnt itself to death. Hope the new card solves your problems!

tomcug · Aug 24, 2008, 06:05 PM

Man, get rid of those fucking Catalyst 8.8 drivers and install Catalyst 8.7 drivers. Using Catalyst 8.7 I've scored 6590 points, but when using Catalyst 8.8 drivers I've scored only 3490 points. AMD is hiding something for sure, because after changing filename to Fur.exe score went back to 6590 points. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with those unstable Power Color Radeon HD 4870 PCS+ cards. Check this out:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh....php?t=2057897

stordoff · Aug 24, 2008, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcug

AMD is hiding something for sure, because after changing filename to Fur.exe score went back to 6590 points.[/URL]

Good catch - Changing the filename to F.exe gives me:

FurMark v1.4.0 Fullscreen Score.
[ SCORE: 5785 o3Marks ]
- FPS Min: 86
- FPS Max: 131
- FPS Avg: 97
- Time: 60000 ms
- Res: 1280x1024 / MSAA: 0X
- Renderer: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2
- Active GPUs: 2
- Drivers: Unknown version
- CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
- CPU Speed: 2405 MHz
- OS: Windows Vista ver.6.0 build 6001 [Service Pack 1]

8.7 drivers didn't help though, pretty much the same as the 8.8. Still RMAing it due to the artifacting

Fitseries3 · Aug 24, 2008, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stordoff

Still RMAing it due to the artifacting

indiana jones enjoys finding artifacts.

this is weird that ATI/AMD seems to be hiding something in the drivers. didnt we catch nvidia doing this before?

Aug 24, 2008, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitseries3

this is weird that ATI/AMD seems to be hiding something in the drivers. didnt we catch nvidia doing this before?

care to explain?

Fitseries3 · Aug 24, 2008, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle2020

care to explain?

there was a thing in a version of the nvidia drivers around the time that the 8800gt's came out that showed a HUGE difference in crysis when you renamed the driver to something else. it was here on TPU. im looking for it.

Fitseries3 · Aug 24, 2008, 06:22 PM

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/ind...=487&Itemid=29

AsRock · Aug 24, 2008, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stordoff

The other result I posted was also on a 4870X2, yet I got half the score. Of a greater concern is crash in 3DMark06

Edit: Just checked the temps after five minutes of Furmark - 87 degrees C. Is this in the correct range for this card?

Any chance my PSU could be causing this? 12V rail is 12.15v idle, 12.18v whilst Furmark is running. (DMM) This doesn't seem to high, just checking

The temp is right a friend on here named rossiski had the same thing with temps, how ever he did find a fix for his you have to change 3 profiles to get better fan speeds.

Drop him a IM i'm sure he would not mind. I'll drop him a e-mail for you too as i'm not to sure how often he be checking these forums as seen he has his system pretty much sorted out now..

tomcug · Aug 24, 2008, 07:31 PM

You can modify your card's BIOS with RBE to change fan speed. If your card'll be still artifacting, then you should RMA it.

FR@NK · Aug 24, 2008, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcug

AMD is hiding something for sure, because after changing filename to Fur.exe score went back to 6590 points. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with those unstable Power Color Radeon HD 4870 PCS+ cards.

Furmark has been known to kill the new HD4800 series because it pushes these cards beyond what normal gaming or benching would. So AMD is using the newer drivers to limit the card's power when running furmark.exe.

tomcug · Aug 24, 2008, 07:39 PM

FR@NK, but can you explain why the hell Catalyst 8.8 drivers cause performace drop in FurMark of 100%? I's more than very high performance drop

. I understand that they don't want people to RMA cards killed by FurMark but with this limitation cards use only 50% of their full potential

.

boogah · Aug 24, 2008, 07:41 PM

normal consumers don't run furmark and benchmarking programs on daily/hourly basis ^___~

tomcug · Aug 24, 2008, 07:43 PM

Normal consumers don't buy cards which cost more than $500

.

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stordoff Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 178 (0.06/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts System Specs	Poor 4870X2 Performance Clean vista install - Catalyst 8.8 Drivers Furmark has the same performance as a HD3850 ( http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=40981 ) 3DMark06 run doesn't complete, black screen and reboots after the first test (Return to Proxycon) Any one know what could be causing this?

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Aug 24, 2008, 02:04 PM	#2
Lionheart Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 3,416 (1.85/day) Thanks: 2,484 Thanked 740 Times in 527 Posts System Specs	hmmmm dont know much about benchmarking man, but you should defanetly overclock that CPU of yourse to gain more performance out of it, not for games but for benchmarking and everyday use, you would notice a big difference, but about the low scores, not quite sure, maybe your car is being bottlenecked but maybe someone else would, anyways goodluck finding how, later

Aug 24, 2008, 02:09 PM	#3
stordoff Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 178 (0.06/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts System Specs	Yeh, I normally run the Q6600 at 3.0GHz, just reset everything to stock when I got my 4870X2. Doesn't explain the poor Furmark and 3DMark crashes though. Found this result for comparision: Furmark v1.4 Fullscreen Score: 5846 FPS Min:87 FPS Max:132 FPS Avg:98 Time: 60000ms Res: 1280x1024 / MSAA: 0x Renderer: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 Active GPUs: 2 Drivers: 5.2.3790.1830 - Catalyst 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.4Ghz CPU Speed: 2400MHz

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Aug 24, 2008, 06:03 PM	#13
kyle2020 Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	sounds like it burnt itself to death. Hope the new card solves your problems!

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tomcug Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 98 (0.05/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts System Specs	Man, get rid of those fucking Catalyst 8.8 drivers and install Catalyst 8.7 drivers. Using Catalyst 8.7 I've scored 6590 points, but when using Catalyst 8.8 drivers I've scored only 3490 points. AMD is hiding something for sure, because after changing filename to Fur.exe score went back to 6590 points. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with those unstable Power Color Radeon HD 4870 PCS+ cards. Check this out: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh....php?t=2057897

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Aug 24, 2008, 07:39 PM	#23
tomcug Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 98 (0.05/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts System Specs	FR@NK, but can you explain why the hell Catalyst 8.8 drivers cause performace drop in FurMark of 100%? I's more than very high performance drop . I understand that they don't want people to RMA cards killed by FurMark but with this limitation cards use only 50% of their full potential .

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boogah Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 865 (0.48/day) Thanks: 22 Thanked 146 Times in 140 Posts System Specs	normal consumers don't run furmark and benchmarking programs on daily/hourly basis ^___~

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