nVidia 8-series CUDA with ATi video

JrRacinFan · Aug 27, 2008, 01:36 AM

I wonder if mixing an ATi video card with an 8-series nVidia card for a PPU can be done WITHOUT driver conflicts. Those with both can you attempt to install, test for me and post results.

Comments?

Thank you in advance.

Fastmix · Aug 27, 2008, 01:42 AM

You can use nvidia for phisix and ati for graphic in xp, vista won't allow you.

JrRacinFan · Aug 27, 2008, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fastmix

You can use nvidia for phisix and ati for graphic in xp, vista won't allow you.

Mmk, have any screenies or links? I just want to make sure. I was thinking of modding one of my PCIe 1x slots to fit an 8400GS.

Fastmix · Aug 27, 2008, 01:53 AM

I have seen it here http://www.ngohq.com/ in one of the forum post..I think in the Ati Physix one but the site is down.

JrRacinFan · Aug 27, 2008, 02:02 AM

Oh ok, thank you!!!

Anyone else?

Mussels · Aug 27, 2008, 02:26 AM

Vista only allows one video driver active at a time. Mixing both brands doesnt work.

It does under XP, so long as you play it carefully (what i did was made sure the ATI CCC wasnt set to load on boot, last time i did this the CCC loaded too fast and caused problems accessing a card that 'didnt exist')

JrRacinFan · Aug 27, 2008, 02:28 AM

Hmmmm, so as long as 'autostart' is disabled in MSCONFIG for CCC and manually launch after boot should be no problems?

Mussels · Aug 27, 2008, 02:30 AM

it worked stable enough when i did it (long before SP3 came out)
I'd suggest doing a backup before trying it, because the other time i tried it, it hosed the OS...

nflesher87 · Aug 27, 2008, 02:34 AM

why bother? at best you'll likely have instability issues, I say sell the two cards and invest in one card that can handle higher settings that the one card, and who REALLY needs physics?

JrRacinFan · Aug 27, 2008, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nflesher87

why bother? at best you'll likely have instability issues, I say sell the two cards and invest in one card that can handle higher settings that the one card, and who REALLY needs physics?

I was actually thinking of doing this when I upgrade CPU(maybe e7300)+Video(possibly 4850) on my rig and giving hers a small facelift with an HD3870+8400GS+e1200.

Fastmix · Aug 27, 2008, 03:09 AM

Here it is http://www.ngohq.com/graphic-cards/1...i-physx-2.html

I don't know how to post a picture, maybe one of you can teach me.

Mussels · Aug 27, 2008, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fastmix

Here it is http://www.ngohq.com/graphic-cards/1...i-physx-2.html

I don't know how to post a picture, maybe one of you can teach me.

http://www.techpowerup.org/

upload it there, and paste the 'url' link it provides at the bottom.

JrRacinFan · Aug 27, 2008, 03:16 AM

That is very interesting.

Fastmix · Aug 27, 2008, 03:20 AM

Just trying this out...(How to post a picture)

This image is from a post @ ngohq.com

Fastmix · Aug 27, 2008, 03:22 AM

Hey..I just noticed that's vista..so someone got it going.

Interesting.

Mussels · Aug 27, 2008, 03:22 AM

Interesting. and under vista too.

PVTCaboose1337 · Aug 27, 2008, 03:25 AM

Very cool fastmix! I don't think my 7900gt can do phyx, but I am intrigued by your success.

Fastmix · Aug 27, 2008, 03:25 AM

How much is an 8600?

But then I am still runnig pci-e 1 and my mobo....when you are runnig two cards splits it x8x8 so it's probably not worth it anyway.

P.S. Yes I know..waiting for Nehlam to upgrade.

That is not my system in the pic.

r1rhyder · Aug 27, 2008, 03:26 AM

As I understood it, it was vista 64 bit that would only allow I video card. I read it would work on vista 32.

Fastmix · Aug 27, 2008, 03:33 AM

If you open an elevated command prompt (in vista 32) and type " bcdedit.exe /set testsigning on" and reboot..it put the computer in test mode, that's probably how they did it.
It allows you to use unsigned system drivers.

paybackdaman · Aug 28, 2008, 01:12 AM

I was looking around a bit on the web today and found this article at Tom's Hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvi...-ati,5764.html

It seems that physx can be enabled on ATI graphic cards...so no need for a Nvidia counterpart. =/

Edit: with the help of some modified drivers that is.

JrRacinFan · Aug 28, 2008, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paybackdaman

I was looking around a bit on the web today and found this article at Tom's Hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvi...-ati,5764.html

It seems that physx can be enabled on ATI graphic cards...so no need for a Nvidia counterpart. =/

Edit: with the help of some modified drivers that is.

I am aware of those and it's older information. Something that never got leaked as of yet, IIRC.

paybackdaman · Aug 28, 2008, 01:18 AM

Ah. I see. I really didn't check the date. It's just that this peaked my interest. I hope they are released. then there will be no reason to buy NVIDIA cards just because they have physx. Deep down, I hope physx fails. I don't see its potential. just one more component that needs to be in a computer that doesn't really need to be.

Valdez · Aug 28, 2008, 08:11 PM

I have an asus m2n-e board:

I like to try this ati + nv physx thing. I have a hd3870 in the x16 slot.
I have a pci-e x16 8600gt 512mb too. Can i use it in the x4 slot (the black one) ?

Fastmix · Aug 28, 2008, 08:22 PM

That's an open slot, not sure if it is going to work...try.

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