Pioneer Showcases Super Multi-Layer Disc

btarunr · Dec 1, 2008, 05:28 PM

Pioneer showcased its high density multi-layer optical disc at the IT Month fair in Taipei, Taiwan. The optical disc uses the same protocol as that of the Blu-ray disc, except for that Pioneer perfected its material technology of reflective layers, that allows for 16 separate layers of 25 GB each on a single side of the disc. Blu-ray discs in production facilitate only two parallel layers making for a maximum of 50 GB storage space per disc. The 16 layers on Pioneer's disc would make for 400 GB.

The specifications of the pick-up head (PUH) of the disc is the same as those for the PUH of blank BD discs, and therefore the Pioneer discs can be read on any of the Blu-ray disc players in production, the company said. In its current form, the media is in a read-only (burn/press once) format, and could reach production anywhere between 2008 and 2010, with re-writable media slated for 2010~2012, and even denser 1 TB discs in 2013, according to the company's internal roadmaps.

Source: DigiTimes

Steevo · Dec 1, 2008, 05:34 PM

She has a moustache.

Dec 1, 2008, 05:49 PM

lol ^^

nice to see some innovation

WhiteLotus · Dec 1, 2008, 06:07 PM

400GB disk!

sweet!

Atnevon · Dec 1, 2008, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steevo

She has a moustache.

Now that you mention it...yep

Really cool to hear. Especially the backwards compatibility. Hope to ear more about this in the future.

FreedomEclipse · Dec 1, 2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steevo

She has a moustache.

shes also wearing contact lenses

Swansen · Dec 1, 2008, 08:08 PM

I'm wondering how well this will work? I'm sure if will be fine, but writing to that many layers seems like its just asking for problems.

FreedomEclipse · Dec 1, 2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Swansen

I'm wondering how well this will work? I'm sure if will be fine, but writing to that many layers seems like its just asking for problems.

the individual 'writers' still have a way to go. by the time they come out with a mainstream writer for consumers im sure they will have a lot of those issues ironed out.

no average guy is gonna sit there for half a day burning 1 400GB disk....

snuif09 · Dec 1, 2008, 09:11 PM

why aren't people working on that holodisk? i've heard it can hold up around 1tb.

Mussels · Dec 1, 2008, 11:42 PM

well, 500GB disks sure sounds good. makes backing up 2-5TB hard drives easier.

will · Dec 1, 2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

shes also wearing contact lenses

wtf how can you tell that from the pic?

Grimskull · Dec 2, 2008, 12:47 AM

she also has two purple socks, a wooden leg and 3 fillings in her teeth..... jeez!!!!

Would you kick her out of your bed???

Mussels · Dec 2, 2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Grimskull

Would you kick her out of your bed???

god no. i'd gently push her, so that she doesnt drop the prototype disk.

kuroikenshi · Dec 2, 2008, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mussels

god no. i'd gently push her, so that she doesnt drop the prototype disk.

:golfclap:

Well played sir.

theJesus · Dec 2, 2008, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steevo

She has a moustache.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

shes also wearing contact lenses

K, so did I miss the link to the high-res photo or something?

Quote:

Originally Posted by will

wtf how can you tell that from the pic?

I'm wondering the same thing

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

no average guy is gonna sit there for half a day burning 1 400GB disk....

You're right, they'd go to work/school or whatever they usually do while the disc was burning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

well, 500GB disks sure sounds good. makes backing up 2-5TB hard drives easier.

Agreed; I couldn't imagine trying to back up that much data to current optical discs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

god no. i'd gently push her, so that she doesnt drop the prototype disk.

FreedomEclipse · Dec 2, 2008, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will

wtf how can you tell that from the pic?

Quote:

Originally Posted by theJesus

K, so did I miss the link to the high-res photo or something

If you look closely enough at her eyes you will notice that theres a certain 'blue' or possibly 'green' or 'blue/green' tint -

Unless - shes 'half cast' which judging by her skin tone is very possible but i could be wrong -

otherwise they are contacts - Asian Orientals especially chinese/japanese/koreans, malaysian/thai/vietnamese etc etc are born with brown eyes unless otherwise. but i get the feeling their contacts because I had a cousin who wore the exact same colours before -

it looks attractive, yes - but i get a feeling that its 'un-natural' so to speak.

a Prime example would be that most non oriental people wouldnt know the difference between Japanese & chinese until we spoke or told them. because as some americans put it - 'we all look the same'

but me being chinese I can tell almost instantly if their thai, chinese, japanese or whatever.

its in our blood. i cant really explain - sometimes is facial or bodily features or characteristics which are 'native' to certain countries - such as Japan is well known for its petite women which can give the game away.

I could carry on rambling about this stuff but i wont because this is not the kinda forum for that.

Hayder_Master · Dec 2, 2008, 06:44 AM

should i call it new WD 400g HD , dumm this one have more size of mine HD

Dec 2, 2008, 08:09 AM

the killer of external HDD's?

theJesus · Dec 2, 2008, 09:02 AM

FreedomEclipse, thanks for elaborating; I didn't know all that

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle2020

the killer of external HDD's?

Only if at least a few of the following circumstances are met, I think:

- They're priced competitively (with external HDD's for example)
- Read/Write speeds are comparable to the average external HDD (e-sata included)
- Writers are affordable.
- RW discs can be written to many times without error.
- Other things I forgot.

I really don't think these will replace external hdd's, except maybe for making backups. And by the time these are affordable and mainstream, SSD's will probably be a lot cheaper and be available in greater capacities.

Dec 2, 2008, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theJesus

Only if at least a few of the following circumstances are met, I think:

- They're priced competitively (with external HDD's for example)
- Read/Write speeds are comparable to the average external HDD (e-sata included)
- Writers are affordable.
- RW discs can be written to many times without error.
- Other things I forgot.

I really don't think these will replace external hdd's, except maybe for making backups. And by the time these are affordable and mainstream, SSD's will probably be a lot cheaper and be available in greater capacities.

give them time - look at how expensive regular HDD's were a year ago compared to now - SSD'd will follow the same trend, and these will follow that

theJesus · Dec 2, 2008, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle2020

give them time - look at how expensive regular HDD's were a year ago compared to now - SSD'd will follow the same trend, and these will follow that

That's basically my point. Everything else will get cheaper and better by the time these become affordable, and at decent speeds.

Dec 2, 2008, 09:09 AM

Im just looking forward to SSD's coming down in price. Restraining myself from buying a second hand raptor haha.

Swansen · Dec 2, 2008, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

the individual 'writers' still have a way to go. by the time they come out with a mainstream writer for consumers im sure they will have a lot of those issues ironed out.

no average guy is gonna sit there for half a day burning 1 400GB disk....

i'm sure, but just look at all the grief dual layer disks give people. I'm just speculating, but it seems like with that many layers, you would have to be VERY careful with disks surface. That said, i see why blu-ray disks are relevant, HD video and audio take up a lot of space, but why 400gb on a disk??

Darkrealms · Dec 2, 2008, 04:01 PM

I think at this point consumers won't care. But GOD that would be nice, two of those and my NAS is backed up off site again! "And on these 3 pages are the 12 discs for every months backups of 2008" LoL.

Swansen · Dec 2, 2008, 04:16 PM

actually this topic just reminded me of something 1tb DVD.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9053822

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