GPU Recommendation PLEASE

sprayall · Dec 31, 2008, 10:45 AM

I'm not wanting to buy a top end card, just something to "balance" out my system. I think if I had a decent card I would be very satisfied with FSX performance. This system actually seems to do ok compared to other's results that I've read about. I'm not quite sure about compatibility and I don't want to pay for something that will just be held back by the rest of the system. Thanks in advance, everyone, for your abundant knowledge and help.

There's too many choices out there. So, a couple of questions to start with. Can you guys please check out these cards? And, my board supports PCI Express 1.0. What happens when I put a PCI Express 2.0 card in? Does the 8800gt outperform the 9800gt and, if it does, why? Are there any builders I should stay away from (PNY, KFA2, MSI, etc.)?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814133205

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...161&CatId=1558

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...544&CatId=3669

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127387

MRCL · Dec 31, 2008, 11:18 AM

Lol never heard of KFA2

But the 4670 I heard and saw does a pretty darn good job. I'd take that one, or the 8800.

kenkickr · Dec 31, 2008, 11:31 AM

My friends system I built for him is almost like yours but you have 1Gb more than he does. I've seen him play FSX without issues using a HD3870. I'm not sure how the 4670 would handle FSX with it's 128-bit ring bus but the 8800GT/9800GT is a little better than a 3870 so it should have no problems playing FSX with some details. My other recommendation would be to go for a HD4850 since the price on them is pretty reasonable and kind of give you that future proof for awhile.

r9 · Dec 31, 2008, 12:37 PM

Performance vise
4670=9600GSO 384 < 9600GT <8800GT<=(depending of the clocs and 9800GT should use 55nm G92) 9800GT
And for brand go for MSI.
So if I was you with no doubt in my mind I would get MSI 9800GT this seccond.

JrRacinFan · Dec 31, 2008, 01:02 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121289

Or if you dont mind open box:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16814121289R

Gilletter · Dec 31, 2008, 01:16 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...B6D-_-14102770 with promo code EMCBCDABJ gets you down to $129.99, not bad and only a little bit more than what you're looking at now

ShadowFold · Dec 31, 2008, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrRacinFan

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121289

Or if you dont mind open box:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16814121289R

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilletter

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...B6D-_-14102770 with promo code EMCBCDABJ gets you down to $129.99, not bad and only a little bit more than what you're looking at now

Both good suggestions.. Can't go wrong with a 4800 man

3870x2 · Dec 31, 2008, 01:44 PM

grab a 4830, or go with the 9800GT. There should be some 4850s on sale here for pretty cheap.

newtekie1 · Dec 31, 2008, 01:55 PM

I would look into the 4830 for $110($90 after Mail-In).

It should complement your system nicely.

spearman914 · Dec 31, 2008, 01:57 PM

I'll recommend u this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161260 If u oc it, it'll beat everyone of the cards u listed above. At stock this card is pretty good anyway.

CJCerny · Dec 31, 2008, 02:03 PM

Yeah...if you can get a 4830 for under $100 after rebate, that's definitely the best bang for the buck. A 4830 is pretty much even with the 9800GT.

spearman914 · Dec 31, 2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJCerny

Yeah...if you can get a 4830 for under $100 after rebate, that's definitely the best bang for the buck. A 4830 is pretty much even with the 9800GT.

OC it, beats the 9800GTX, oc it further by volt modding, beats the 9800GTX+!!!

HolyCow02 · Dec 31, 2008, 04:56 PM

Bang for buck is easily the 4830 plain and simple

dieselcat18 · Jan 1, 2009, 01:03 AM

If you like the 9800GT....it's to bad this card version is no longer available.....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121266

And this one was even better with 128 stream processors....

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...e-palit-7.html

But you can't go with any of the ATi 4000 series that have been mentioned.

*+

spearman914 · Jan 1, 2009, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieselcat18

If you like the 9800GT....it's to bad this card version is no longer available.....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121266

And this one was even better with 128 stream processors....

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...e-palit-7.html

But you can't go with any of the ATi 4000 series that have been mentioned.

*+

Seems like ur a nvidia fan boy. ATI 4000 pwns...

mlee49 · Jan 1, 2009, 01:06 AM

4830 all day long. Nvidia suggestion 8800 GT for budget, 9800 equals the 4830.

Edit, you can put a PCI-E 2.0 card in a 1.0 slot with no problems. That's called backwards compatible.

kysg · Jan 1, 2009, 01:07 AM

Hey I'll put this in lamens terms

Get ati 4830, its basically a detuned 4850, you can't go wrong for 100 bucks...
if your broke 4670, no other options,

nvidia side its the 9800GT which gets beat my 4830 if Oc'd, then 9800GTX and GTX+ but the money is kinda out there.

spearman914 · Jan 1, 2009, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kysg

Hey I'll put this in lamens terms

Get ati 4830, its basically a detuned 4850, you can't go wrong for 100 bucks...
if your broke 4670, no other options,

nvidia side its the 9800GT which gets beat my 4830 if Oc'd, then 9800GTX and GTX+ but the money is kinda out there.

See my link above. Found a 4830 for 87 bucks!!!

kysg · Jan 1, 2009, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearman914

See my link above. Found a 4830 for 87 bucks!!!

+1 to that.

HossHuge · Jan 1, 2009, 01:15 AM

a 4830 is really the best deal on the planet now. In my unbiased view.

LittleLizard · Jan 1, 2009, 01:28 AM

4830, no way be wrong with that one

sprayall · Jan 1, 2009, 02:56 AM

Thanks newtekie1 and spearman914 for the good find on the 4830!!!!-killer deal. Also bought the 750W PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341011

I was wondering about the backwards compatibility (the card being PCI-E 2.0) I'm not losing any performance because the slot is 1.0 am I? Also, any tips for installing card and PS? Anything I should read up on while it's being shipped? I will be asking about oc'ing after I get it installed and running normally. Thanks again for all the suggestions. I would have been completely lost without them-too many cards to choose from.

LittleLizard · Jan 1, 2009, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprayall

Thanks newtekie1 and spearman914 for the good find on the 4830!!!!-killer deal. Also bought the 750W PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341011

I was wondering about the backwards compatibility (the card being PCI-E 2.0) I'm not losing any performance because the slot is 1.0 am I? Also, any tips for installing card and PS? Anything I should read up on while it's being shipped? I will be asking about oc'ing after I get it installed and running normally. Thanks again for all the suggestions. I would have been completely lost without them-too many cards to choose from.

as long as you have the full 16 lanes there shoulnt be any performance decrease.
If u are going to oc it then cool it properly as the 48xx series are hot

EDIT: very good psu u choose. i love the color and is pc power & cooling, Ultimate brand

mlee49 · Jan 1, 2009, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprayall

Thanks newtekie1 and spearman914 for the good find on the 4830!!!!-killer deal. Also bought the 750W PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341011

I was wondering about the backwards compatibility (the card being PCI-E 2.0) I'm not losing any performance because the slot is 1.0 am I? Also, any tips for installing card and PS? Anything I should read up on while it's being shipped? I will be asking about oc'ing after I get it installed and running normally. Thanks again for all the suggestions. I would have been completely lost without them-too many cards to choose from.

you wont lose any preformance by using a 2.0 card in a 1.0 slot. Its not taking advantage of the 2.0 lane so your really missing out on performance.

Read about how to overclock your card. Google 4830 overclock and maybe get familiar with your company as well. Registering your new card will be important so check that out.
Its a great card so enjoy it, benchmark it, and game with it!

dieselcat18 · Jan 1, 2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearman914

Seems like ur a nvidia fan boy. ATI 4000 pwns...

How did you figure that ?....A pretty silly comment if you took the time and looked at my system specs, then realized I was responding to the OP'ers question about giving a recommendation on several graphics cards he had selected. One of which was a 9800GT, which reminded me of that special card and the review of it. That card has since been discontinued, but I still thought it was worth mentioning in addition to recommending the 4000 series cards, many of which had already been listed in previous posts and didn't feel the need to repeat over again.......

Dec 31, 2008, 10:45 AM	#1
sprayall Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 9 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post System Specs	ORDERED--HAVE QUESTIONS--GPU Recommendation PLEASE I'm not wanting to buy a top end card, just something to "balance" out my system. I think if I had a decent card I would be very satisfied with FSX performance. This system actually seems to do ok compared to other's results that I've read about. I'm not quite sure about compatibility and I don't want to pay for something that will just be held back by the rest of the system. Thanks in advance, everyone, for your abundant knowledge and help. There's too many choices out there. So, a couple of questions to start with. Can you guys please check out these cards? And, my board supports PCI Express 1.0. What happens when I put a PCI Express 2.0 card in? Does the 8800gt outperform the 9800gt and, if it does, why? Are there any builders I should stay away from (PNY, KFA2, MSI, etc.)? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814133205 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...161&CatId=1558 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...544&CatId=3669 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127387 Last edited by sprayall; Jan 1, 2009 at 02:52 AM.

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Dec 31, 2008, 11:18 AM	#2
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kenkickr Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 4,490 (2.25/day) Thanks: 1,024 Thanked 1,328 Times in 1,094 Posts System Specs	My friends system I built for him is almost like yours but you have 1Gb more than he does. I've seen him play FSX without issues using a HD3870. I'm not sure how the 4670 would handle FSX with it's 128-bit ring bus but the 8800GT/9800GT is a little better than a 3870 so it should have no problems playing FSX with some details. My other recommendation would be to go for a HD4850 since the price on them is pretty reasonable and kind of give you that future proof for awhile.

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Dec 31, 2008, 01:44 PM	#8
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Dec 31, 2008, 02:03 PM	#11
CJCerny Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 756 (0.46/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 213 Times in 178 Posts	Yeah...if you can get a 4830 for under $100 after rebate, that's definitely the best bang for the buck. A 4830 is pretty much even with the 9800GT.

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Dec 31, 2008, 04:56 PM	#13
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Jan 1, 2009, 01:03 AM	#14
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Jan 1, 2009, 01:06 AM	#16
mlee49 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: KU Posts: 6,919 (3.51/day) Thanks: 1,597 Thanked 2,044 Times in 1,600 Posts System Specs	4830 all day long. Nvidia suggestion 8800 GT for budget, 9800 equals the 4830. Edit, you can put a PCI-E 2.0 card in a 1.0 slot with no problems. That's called backwards compatible. __________________ Heatware: Mlee49 115-0

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Processor:	Core i7 970 @ 4.4Ghz(Watercooled)
Motherboard:	Gigabyte UD5 Rev2.0
Cooling:	Custom water loop
Memory:	3x2GB 2000MHz GSkill Perfect Storm
Video Card:	2xEvga Classified 560 Ti 448 Core in SLI
Hard Disk:	1x256GB Samsung 830 SSD, 1.2TB NAS
Optical Drive:	Samsung sata 22x dvd
CRT/LCD Model:	26" Asus 1920x1200
Case:	Enermax Fulmo GT
Sound Card:	Custom 700W system
PSU:	Thermaltake Toughpower 850W
Software:	Win7 64x

Jan 1, 2009, 01:07 AM	#17
kysg Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pacoima, CA Posts: 974 (0.56/day) Thanks: 4 Thanked 99 Times in 96 Posts System Specs	Hey I'll put this in lamens terms Get ati 4830, its basically a detuned 4850, you can't go wrong for 100 bucks... if your broke 4670, no other options, nvidia side its the 9800GT which gets beat my 4830 if Oc'd, then 9800GTX and GTX+ but the money is kinda out there.

System Name:	Workhorse lappy
Processor:	AMD A6 3420
Memory:	8GB DDR3 1066
Video Card:	ATI radeon 6520G
Hard Disk:	OCZ Vertex4 128GB SSD SATAIII
CRT/LCD Model:	15inch LCD
Software:	Windows 7 64bit

Jan 1, 2009, 01:15 AM	#20
HossHuge Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Taiwan Posts: 1,809 (1.01/day) Thanks: 513 Thanked 448 Times in 301 Posts System Specs	a 4830 is really the best deal on the planet now. In my unbiased view. __________________ But they are useless. They can only give you answers. ~Pablo Picasso, about computers

Processor:	AMD FX-8120 @4.6Ghz /w Turbo-Core
Motherboard:	ASRock 970 Extreme4
Cooling:	JPower 1366-Ultra
Memory:	Kingston HyperX 2x4GB@1600mhz
Video Card:	Galaxy GTX660 GC + Sparkle GT610 PhysX
Hard Disk:	TEAM Xtreem S1 90G SSD + WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB
Optical Drive:	MSI BD-ROM
CRT/LCD Model:	Envision P2271WHL3 (Nvidia Surround 57601080) & Benq W1000+
Case:	SuperFlower SF-800
Sound Card:	Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio/Logitech X-540 speakers / Coolermaster Sirus 5.1 headset
PSU:	Enermax Pro82+ 625W
Software:	7 64bit

Jan 1, 2009, 01:28 AM	#21
LittleLizard Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Latin America, Uruguay Posts: 3,380 (2.06/day) Thanks: 339 Thanked 584 Times in 516 Posts System Specs	4830, no way be wrong with that one __________________ "oh no, i make a very good person. I eat poop and sleep just like everyone else. My sense of humour just happens to fall under the DnD category of Chaotic Evil." - Mussels "I was expecting a line of EVGA FTW condoms or something like that." - DrPepper "I like my sex like my basketball, one on one, and with as little dribbling as possible" - Robert-The-Rambler

System Name:	The Lizard
Processor:	Intel Core 2 Duo E4600
Motherboard:	Zotac G41 MAT-A-E
Cooling:	Intel Stock Fan
Memory:	2GB Kingston Value DDR2 @ PC2 5300
Video Card:	XFX GeForce 8600 GT 512mb DDR2
Hard Disk:	160GB Samsung F1 Sata
Optical Drive:	Samsung WriteMaster DVD R/RW
CRT/LCD Model:	AOC 917Sw 19' LCD
Case:	Generic Black Case
Sound Card:	Onboard Realtek
PSU:	Biswal 500W
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Jan 1, 2009, 02:56 AM	#22
sprayall Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 9 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post System Specs	Ordered the 4830-Thanks Guys Thanks newtekie1 and spearman914 for the good find on the 4830!!!!-killer deal. Also bought the 750W PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341011 I was wondering about the backwards compatibility (the card being PCI-E 2.0) I'm not losing any performance because the slot is 1.0 am I? Also, any tips for installing card and PS? Anything I should read up on while it's being shipped? I will be asking about oc'ing after I get it installed and running normally. Thanks again for all the suggestions. I would have been completely lost without them-too many cards to choose from. Last edited by sprayall; Jan 1, 2009 at 03:05 AM.

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