Green-House Expands SSD Lineup with New IDE Drives

[btarunr]

Japanese manufacturer Green-House recently announced lines of internal and portable SSDs. The company now announced two new IDE SSDs, in 1.8 and 2.5 inch form-factors. Both the 1.8 inch GH-SSDxxGP-1yA and 2.5 inch GH-SSDxxGP-2yA (where "x" is the capacity amount in GB, "y" being S or M, denoting SLC or MLC NAND flash type respectively) use the aging parallel ATA interface, and come in capacities of 16, 32, 64, and 128 GB.

The 1.8 inch drive's SLC variant offers read/write speeds of 65/55 MBps, while its MLC variant offers speeds of 60/35 MBps. The speeds of the 2.5 inch drive shows a simlar trend. The SLC variant provides speeds of 70/60 MBps, with the MLC variant trailing it at 60/40 MBps. While the 1.8 inch drive uses a ZIF ATA interface, the 2.5 inch drive has a standard 44-pin IDE interface. Sales will begin soon in Japan. While not exactly making a mark with its speeds, the SSDs could use durability and low access-times as their selling points for aging notebooks with the older interface.



Source: Green-House

[caleb]

SSD news !

[TheLaughingMan]

IDE???? Really IDE??? That is like dropping a LS1 engine in an Ford Probe. Yeah, you force it to fit, but everything else will limit its power anyway, so what was the point.

[BOSE]

I wouldnt pay for it, but ide take one for FREE, so i can used it in my old Dell laptop.

[DrPepper]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

IDE???? Really IDE??? That is like dropping a LS1 engine in an Ford Probe. Yeah, you force it to fit, but everything else will limit its power anyway, so what was the point.

For those who have IDE laptop drives and want the most of it.

[VIPER]

It's a good news. I am working with an old laptop, of course with IDE HDD. I think an IDE SSD will be very good for the battery, which now lasts only 1h...

[TheLaughingMan]

This may help the battery, but your battery is just getting old and dying. It would cheaper to just buy a new battery.

Granted, the SSD will use less power and lower latency, but the Read/Write speeds are about the same as most current IDE lappy HDD. I don't know, maybe I am being narrow minded, but it just seems to be a rather expensive upgrade that will not yield enough improvement to warrant that cost.

[jothy]

The increased iops the SSD brings is the big key here, imo.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

IDE???? Really IDE??? That is like dropping a LS1 engine in an Ford Probe. Yeah, you force it to fit, but everything else will limit its power anyway, so what was the point.

Bad analogy. If you convert a Probe to take a RWD drivetrain, you already eliminated the weak points.

At any rate, these are IDE for older notebooks and PMPs and such. They wouldn't make them if a market didn't exist for them. And it's not the read write that will increase performance drastically, it's the heavily reduced latency.

In fact, I'd like to know If I could get one of these IDE 1.8" drive to work in my old 4th gen iPod.

[caleb]

Not every person has a regural laptop for general home/work purpuses.
There are software/vendor specific versions to some industries which are designed for heavy duty and have some unique features not seen in normal laptops. I believe this is the market where this HDD is aimed at.

For example car diagnostics. Im sure SSD's will or already are put into these maybe even without any mainboard changes because theres no need for that. But Im sure garages will love the shock resistance of an SSD

[VIPER]

Amen to that, it's exactly what I am using my laptop for Is old (DDR, COM + LPT) and I'd love a SSD for it.

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Bad analogy. If you convert a Probe to take a RWD drivetrain, you already eliminated the weak points.

At any rate, these are IDE for older notebooks and PMPs and such. They wouldn't make them if a market didn't exist for them. And it's not the read write that will increase performance drastically, it's the heavily reduced latency.

In fact, I'd like to know If I could get one of these IDE 1.8" drive to work in my old 4th gen iPod.

The Ford Probe's frame and rear end would not be able to handle the additional stress for the engine's huge increase in torque. It will tear something apart. You have not eliminated all the weak points, but i digress.

While reducing the latency will help, which I am sure I stated before, but read/write speed is still important. Especially when it done often and on large files. Besides, my primary issue is still the COST. I still say the increase in performance is not worth the price of an SSD for a system old enough to need this type of drive.

Keeping that in mind, someone with a system that old will not be looking for a $250+ upgrade, so I really don't think there is a market for these.

iPod, should work just fine....until the SSD "delete" issue comes up, then you would need to format it and re-sync the iPod.....not that a big a deal.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

The Ford Probe's frame and rear end would not be able to handle the additional stress for the engine's huge increase in torque. It will tear something apart. You have not eliminated all the weak points, but i digress.

While reducing the latency will help, which I am sure I stated before, but read/write speed is still important. Especially when it done often and on large files. Besides, my primary issue is still the COST. I still say the increase in performance is not worth the price of an SSD for a system old enough to need this type of drive.

Keeping that in mind, someone with a system that old will not be looking for a $250+ upgrade, so I really don't think there is a market for these.

iPod, should work just fine....until the SSD "delete" issue comes up, then you would need to format it and re-sync the iPod.....not that a big a deal.

My point is, if you crammed an LS1 into a Probe, you converted a front wheel drive ar into a rear wheel drive car, so you already completely reworked the chassis, so the weak points were already addressed. I've seen plenty of rear-drive converted Probe drag cars, but I also digress.

There IS most definitely a market for these. There are still plenty of embedded platforms that use IDE, not to mention many PMP's and so on. There are a great many OEM's that could use this. Individual upgraders are only a very small percentage of sales in objects of this nature. Again, they wouldn't produce them if the market for them didn't exist.

As far as the read/write speed, they write just as fast, if not faster than the current 2.5" IDE HDD's, but are several orders of a magnitude faster at random access. It's a speed upgrade, no matter how you look at it.

The other 2.5" IDE drives on the market that compare to these speed wise, go for around $125 for a 32GB MLC model. So, even for an upgrader, the price isn't prohibitive.

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by Wile E

As far as the read/write speed, they write just as fast, if not faster than the current 2.5" IDE HDD's, but are several orders of a magnitude faster at random access. It's a speed upgrade, no matter how you look at it.

While the actual read/write to the drive may be faster, the time needed to get the information there will still be limited by the medium it is transferred through. IDE max speed will limit the speed the SSD can get/sent info. no matter how quickly it finds the data and reads/writes it locally.

And for the last time, I didn't say their wasn't a market for it. I merely voiced my opinion this was not a good idea and cost (no matter how non-restrictive) just out weighs the benefits to me.

[hat]

Umm... IDE is 133MB/s. I havn't seen any drive faster than that yet

[TheLaughingMan]

Burst rate on my drive is about 215 MB/s. Consistant read is 89 MB/s and random is 96 MB/s. That is a 3 year old SATA HDD.

You want faster, here you go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609392

They get Faster.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

While the actual read/write to the drive may be faster, the time needed to get the information there will still be limited by the medium it is transferred through. IDE max speed will limit the speed the SSD can get/sent info. no matter how quickly it finds the data and reads/writes it locally.

And for the last time, I didn't say their wasn't a market for it. I merely voiced my opinion this was not a good idea and cost (no matter how non-restrictive) just out weighs the benefits to me.

IDE won't limit the random access. Ask any person on this board with an SSD how big of a difference the random access makes. It makes a far larger difference than you think. Most of what we do on a daily basis benfits from the reduced access times, more than they do sequential read/write.

You said the upgrade would be useless. I disagree with you.

[hat]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

Burst rate on my drive is about 215 MB/s. Consistant read is 89 MB/s and random is 96 MB/s. That is a 3 year old SATA HDD.

You want faster, here you go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609392

They get Faster.

Ah, now I have. Still... 133MB/s is a hell of a speed for a hard drive