First AMD Benchmarks With DDR3 Memory Posted

btarunr · Jan 24, 2009, 05:22 PM

Better late than never, AMD is embracing the DDR3 memory standard. Its newest desktop CPU socket, the AM3, connects the processor to dual-channel DDR3 memory. Initial specifications about AMD's processors on the new socket suggest that DDR3 1333MHz (PC3-10600) will be held as the memory standard the integrated memory controllers on AMD's processors support. The far-east team of Tom's Hardware posted the first series of benchmarks of a Phenom II AM3 processor, when paired with DDR3-1333. The benchmarks featured Gigabyte's MA790FXT-UD5P motherboard along with Corsair's dual-channel DDR3-1333 kit running at DRAM timings of 9-9-9-24. The CPU-Z window also shows that the memory modules are running unganged, meaning that the two memory controllers of the Deneb core are independent, with each controller handling a 64-bit wide memory channel. This state is somewhat comparable to that of single-channel memory, except that multi-threaded applications will still be able to independently address memory on each channel, utilizing all the bandwidth on offer.

At the center of the test-bench was the AMD Phenom II X4 910, the company's first flagship quad-core AM3 processor. The X4 910 features a default clock speed of 2.60 GHz. The same chip was tested in two settings: default clock-speeds, and overclocked to 3.12 GHz (240 x 13.0 @ default vCore). The screenshots below show the test results for WPrime. The overclocked chip scored a crunch-time of 46.613 s (1M). The overclock did not affect SuperPi at all, with insignificant differences in the scores between the two. PC Mark 05 got a decent boost, while 3DMark06 didn’t. Memory bandwidth and latency tests showed something strange, with the overclocked CPU (in effect memory) turning up with lesser latency (while normally, increase in clock speeds tend to step up latencies). The tests show that there are increments in performance with the use of DDR3 memory, though they are merely proportional to the clock speeds the memory is running at.

Source: Tom's Hardware

WarEagleAU · Jan 24, 2009, 05:30 PM

Very nice jumps when the 910 is oc'd. Looking good though I Wish they did a triple channel like intel did.

cdawall · Jan 24, 2009, 05:45 PM

these tests seemed a bit odd when i found them and wprime looks to have been run on a single core when you factor in a 3.89x efficiency factor (about what these get) for the chip it is pretty close to the numbers a phenom 2+DDR2 gives

also this is set for stability not performance so you could easily see them saving several seconds off everything with proper settings

oli_ramsay · Jan 24, 2009, 05:50 PM

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The benchmarks featured Gigabyte's MA790FXT-UD5P motherboard along with Corsair's dual-channel DDR3-1333 kit running at DRAM timings of 9-9-9-24.

FAIL.

Why use RAM that's barely faster than DDR2 and ridiculously loose timings?

Darksaber · Jan 24, 2009, 05:55 PM

just my two cents...that looks more like gigabyte marketing than anything else...Gigabyte GPUs, Board, CPU Cooler (which cannot be qualified as an OC cooler by any means)

cdawall · Jan 24, 2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darksaber

just my two cents...that looks more like gigabyte marketing than anything else...Gigabyte GPUs, Board, CPU Cooler (which cannot be qualified as an OC cooler by any means)

it is GB marketing but thats against the point lol

Octavean · Jan 24, 2009, 06:10 PM

Phenom II X4 910,……?

I thought the first AM3 chips were going to be Phenom II X4 945,….?

suraswami · Jan 24, 2009, 06:21 PM

hmm another sh**y review from sh**y one sided site. why bother seeing this?

Weer · Jan 24, 2009, 06:25 PM

Everyone always thanks the AMD-news poster.

zithe · Jan 24, 2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Weer

Everyone always thanks the AMD-news poster.

Because this is something everyone wants to see. AMD got a chip that's competitive with core 2. Both will be in focus for maybe a year or two longer as most people don't really need more power. I'd say that making the chips as good as they are wasn't a bad move by AMD. They need a cash cow, not a killer flagship chip.

Mega-Japan · Jan 24, 2009, 07:11 PM

And I'll be one of the first to be feeding that cash cow the minute the 945 or 950 is released.

EastCoasthandle · Jan 24, 2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oli_ramsay

FAIL.

Why use RAM that's barely faster than DDR2 and ridiculously loose timings?

Ding-Ding, that's what I was thinking as well. Who would actually buy this type of ram for an enthusiast PC? I checked newegg and found a 2gig kit of G.Skill DDR3 1333Mhz ram at 7-7-7-18 for $65 + shipping. I wonder what the result are when that ram is used.

Edit:
It looks like they used these the cheapest I know of right now. I still believe they should have used a much lower timing for such low speed ram.

EastCoasthandle · Jan 24, 2009, 07:18 PM

Not to nit-pick results but the CineBench results when OC shows a pretty big gain. Only time will tell if high latency DDR3 negatively impacts PII performance. I await more results from synthetics as well as games!

Blacklash · Jan 24, 2009, 07:20 PM

Yep I want to see gaming results, particularly with HD 4870 1Gb Crossfire.

HolyCow02 · Jan 24, 2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mega-Japan

And I'll be one of the first to be feeding that cash cow the minute the 945 or 950 is released.

Here Here!

Nice to see a 510MHz overclock on stock voltage. Should get pretty good when you have a non-shitty cooler on it

Weer · Jan 24, 2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zithe

Because this is something everyone wants to see. AMD got a chip that's competitive with core 2. Both will be in focus for maybe a year or two longer as most people don't really need more power. I'd say that making the chips as good as they are wasn't a bad move by AMD. They need a cash cow, not a killer flagship chip.

And I'd like to believe that what I see as fanboy-ism is actually civil-minded market-competition protection.

FordGT90Concept · Jan 24, 2009, 07:48 PM

As far as I'm concerned, it's a worthless benchmark. All they do is test stock vs. overclocked. So? Of course it will be slightly faster is that not the point of overclocking (dah)? We need to know how this processor, at stock, stacks up to the DDR2 processors (Phenom II 920 or 940), at stock. Stock vs overclocked proves absolutely nothing. Pathetic.

Mega-Japan · Jan 24, 2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

As far as I'm concerned, it's a worthless benchmark. All they do is test stock vs. overclocked. So? Of course it will be slightly faster is that not the point of overclocking (dah)? We need to know how this processor, at stock, stacks up to the DDR2 processors (Phenom II 920 or 940), at stock. Stock vs overclocked proves absolutely nothing. Pathetic.

I don't find it to be THAT bad but I do would like to see comparison with Core 2 at the same memory.

EastCoasthandle · Jan 24, 2009, 08:20 PM

Agreed, as a sneek-peek it does provide some information. This really isn't a full blown review of PII using DDR3. It just gives you an idea of what to expect using cheap ram IMO. What I didn't like was that they didn't provide good information as to CF results since they used it.

TheScavenger · Jan 24, 2009, 08:21 PM

What this article is really lacking is a control setup/processor to test the DDR3/AM3 setup against. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me because there isn't a Phenom II AM2+ to compare them against!

EastCoasthandle · Jan 24, 2009, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheScavenger

What this article is really lacking is a control setup/processor to test the DDR3/AM3 setup against. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me because there isn't a Phenom II AM2+ to compare them against!

We are just going to have to wait until full reviews are published. After reading this article I didn't get the impression that information was needed at this time until a complete and full review is shown.

Octavean · Jan 24, 2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oli_ramsay

FAIL.

Why use RAM that's barely faster than DDR2 and ridiculously loose timings?

LOL, it wasn't too long ago people were saying the same thing about DDR2 with respect to DDR1 on both AMD and Intel platforms.

Swansen · Jan 24, 2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Octavean

LOL, it wasn't too long ago people were saying the same thing about DDR2 with respect to DDR1 on both AMD and Intel platforms.

exactly, thats because there isn't any noticeable gain in performance with any new DDR jump.... and there won't be until they can figure out how to bring down latency.

1Kurgan1 · Jan 24, 2009, 08:55 PM

What does it matter how DDR3 run vs DDR3 OC'd. Why didn't they toss the 910 into an AM2+ board after set it to the same clocks and test it compared to DDR2?

EastCoasthandle · Jan 24, 2009, 09:03 PM

Hold on a sec, why are they using Wprime 1.55? WPrime 2.00 was released Sept 2008.

Jan 24, 2009, 05:22 PM	#1
btarunr Editor & Senior Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 14,983 (7.30/day) Thanks: 788 Thanked 12,899 Times in 5,650 Posts System Specs	First AMD Benchmarks With DDR3 Memory Posted Better late than never, AMD is embracing the DDR3 memory standard. Its newest desktop CPU socket, the AM3, connects the processor to dual-channel DDR3 memory. Initial specifications about AMD's processors on the new socket suggest that DDR3 1333MHz (PC3-10600) will be held as the memory standard the integrated memory controllers on AMD's processors support. The far-east team of Tom's Hardware posted the first series of benchmarks of a Phenom II AM3 processor, when paired with DDR3-1333. The benchmarks featured Gigabyte's MA790FXT-UD5P motherboard along with Corsair's dual-channel DDR3-1333 kit running at DRAM timings of 9-9-9-24. The CPU-Z window also shows that the memory modules are running unganged, meaning that the two memory controllers of the Deneb core are independent, with each controller handling a 64-bit wide memory channel. This state is somewhat comparable to that of single-channel memory, except that multi-threaded applications will still be able to independently address memory on each channel, utilizing all the bandwidth on offer. At the center of the test-bench was the AMD Phenom II X4 910, the company's first flagship quad-core AM3 processor. The X4 910 features a default clock speed of 2.60 GHz. The same chip was tested in two settings: default clock-speeds, and overclocked to 3.12 GHz (240 x 13.0 @ default vCore). The screenshots below show the test results for WPrime. The overclocked chip scored a crunch-time of 46.613 s (1M). The overclock did not affect SuperPi at all, with insignificant differences in the scores between the two. PC Mark 05 got a decent boost, while 3DMark06 didn’t. Memory bandwidth and latency tests showed something strange, with the overclocked CPU (in effect memory) turning up with lesser latency (while normally, increase in clock speeds tend to step up latencies). The tests show that there are increments in performance with the use of DDR3 memory, though they are merely proportional to the clock speeds the memory is running at. Source: Tom's Hardware

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Jan 24, 2009, 08:55 PM	#24
1Kurgan1 The Knife in your Back Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 6,715 (4.13/day) Thanks: 3,098 Thanked 2,314 Times in 1,558 Posts System Specs	What does it matter how DDR3 run vs DDR3 OC'd. Why didn't they toss the 910 into an AM2+ board after set it to the same clocks and test it compared to DDR2? __________________ Youtube - The WarZ Myths + Gameplay, BF3 Weapon Reviews and more Dual Loop HAF 922 Build \| Dxtory and x264 Codec Guide “Daniel Craig is my Wookiee bitch now!” -Harrison Ford

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Processor:	i7 2600k 5.0Ghz 1.45v\| i3 2100
Motherboard:	AsRock Fatal1ty Pro P67 \| ASRock H61M-GE
Cooling:	Watercooled
Memory:	16GB G.Skill 2133 DDR3 \| 4GB DDR3
Video Card:	2x 7970 WC 1300/1680 + 9800GT \| MSI 5850 OC
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Software:	Win 7 x64 \| Win 7 x64

Jan 24, 2009, 09:03 PM	#25
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