System Upgrade Advice

[mafia97]

I want to build a new pc. I m upgrading from a P4 2.40ghz n upgrade to good gaming pc budget around 1000$. I had checked mamy options some of these are
CPU : intel i7 920,940 / intel core 2 quad 2.4ghz n above
GPU : 1GB Sapphire 4870 Toxic or some other for a good gaming experience
mobo : i want a mobo that supports DDR2 n DDR3 n supports overclocking
monitor : 22" / 24" acer / samsung with good dynamic contrast ratio
psu : any which can handle overclocking
i can extend my budget to 1200$ if needed
plz advise me a good configuration..

[sneekypeet]

I say dont get a motherboard the does both DDR2 and DDR3. Seems like trouble waiting to happen when OC'ing the ram to me. I own a foxconn X38A with dual ram and it will not OC my ram even close to what I can get on a straight DDR2 board.

Go DFI or ASUS if you have the funds, if not look into gigabyte and a few others.

I want with the $169 dollar screen from acer in 22" very nice IMO. but that card will deffinately hold its own on a better res than 1650X1080.

Hope that helps you narrow it down.

PSU options are so varried its frightening. get a good known maker and alot of amps on the 12V rails. Say a Corsair 750 PSU should do what you ask as well as many others.

[Dimi]

Intel Core i7 920 & ASUS P6T Deluxe = $559.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.155907

Crucial 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 = $85.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148246

XFX GX260NADFF GeForce GTX 260 = $214.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150329

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX = $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139009

SAMSUNG 2243BWX = $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001254

Total of $1200.94

What do you think?

[DaveK]

Is $1,200 for an entire rig or just for the CPU, Mobo, GPU, PSU and Monitor? Also, what games will you be playing and at what resolution? Will you be using 64bit?

[mafia97]

i dont want to OC my ram,i want OC my CPU..
in any case the mobo supporting ddr2 n ddr3 are not good,whats ur say???

[mafia97]

1200$ for complete build except speakers,sound card n ups.. i'll be using a 64bit version..
most of the latest games,nothing specific

[mafia97]

ohk guys i have picked ok i7 920 but it does not have ecc ram support is that a big problem
and it has 8mb cache which is smaller than 12mb cache of q9550 so is that also something problem pls tell i m buying products next saturday

[mrhuggles]

dude get a Q6600 and a asus p5k [NOT SE anything but] p35 chipsets are cheap and higher performance than other ones, shoot for 4-8gb DDR2, get a good psu and spend as much on the videocard as you possibly can.

[mafia97]

ohk but can u tell me the problemm with i7 that ecc one
and cache thing

[DrPepper]

There is no problem with the ecc. The i7 is still faster because it has an l3 cache and the 9550 doesn't.

[mafia97]

so i7 920 not having ecc is not a problem

[mrhuggles]

still, even if it was 100 times faster than a Q6600, Q6600 is enough for any modern game and will be for a while, can anyone honestly say that its not worth spending the extra money saved on the most powerfull videocard possible?

atleast for gaming anyhow.

[mafia97]

i m taking options right now so just asking problems in i7 and benefits of i7
i have taken q6600 as main option
but i7 is future technology and i dont want my money to go in old technolgy bcoz i suffered this thing with my current pc too
i need to convery videos and do grphic designing
will q6600 be enough for that

[hv43082]

THG did a very good low, mid, and high end system configuration with pricing. Here's the link. If you want i7, mobo, cpu, and ram would set you back $700. So you have $300 left for vid card, PSU, and monitor. You can skip on sound card and reuse old case, DVD burner, and cables. I7 is not feasible for $1000 system. If I were you I would get the low config suggested on THG and add a 24" LCD. This should round out your budget to around $1000.

[hv43082]

Originally Posted by mafia97

i m taking options right now so just asking problems in i7 and benefits of i7
i have taken q6600 as main option
but i7 is future technology and i dont want my money to go in old technolgy bcoz i suffered this thing with my current pc too
i need to convery videos and do grphic designing
will q6600 be enough for that

OC this CPU to 3.6 (typical result for Q6600 overclock) and it will be more than enough.

[mrhuggles]

well... the thing is the core i7 isnt all THAT much faster, and also with it your upgrade options maybe be good, and they may be REALLY bad, only the future will tell, having the memory controller on the cpu is great, you can get alot more bandwidth easily through dual or tri channel.. but it means that upgradeing the memory interface means getting a whole new cpu, motherboard, AND memory, upgrade options on the Q6600 with a p35 are all the way up to the 45nm quad cores, and with a p35 you can get almost as much memory bandwidth as you can on the core i7 [memory bandwidth is limited by FSB, 1:1 ratio and 1066mhz ram has alot of bandwidth]

that having been said, encoding stuff is painfull... real painfull, encoding is probably the only way in whcih you would even be able to tell the difference between a Q6600 and a core i7, right now its nothing, but in 2 years there will probably be a pretty big difference, but then again, in 2 years you might have to get a new motherboard to upgrade the cpu.. might or might not, no way to know.

EDIT: i forgot to say, videocard videocard videocard. my e2140 can 0wn a core i7 if the core i7 has like a x1900... in games anyhow.

[DrPepper]

I'd say go with the i7 and a GTX260 or 280 if budget allows.

[DaveK]

What case are you going to get? Don't forget you're going to want a good CPU cooler if you're overclocking. It would help your budget if you used your old hard-drive and monitor.

[mafia97]

side window one any with good looks
not that into cases

[DaveK]

Are you going to get a CPU cooler?

[mafia97]

it would be same which i would get with the processor kit or do i need another to keep my pc cooler as it is in a isolated place

[DrPepper]

Originally Posted by mafia97

it would be same which i would get with the processor kit or do i need another to keep my pc cooler as it is in a isolated place

I'm sorry I don't really understand that.

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by DrPepper

I'm sorry I don't really understand that.

I think he means will it be the same as the stock one and will he need another to keep it cool as it's in an isolated space.

[sneekypeet]

Stock cooling with overclocking is ok to an extent, but once you start to add voltage to keep the CPU stable the cooler soon shows its true colors. Deffinately if you plan to OC get a more efficient cooler as well!

[DaveK]

Here's a quick rig I put together in an online store:

Antec 900, Asus P5QL SE, Core 2 Quad Q6600, Corsair TX650w, 1GB Sapphire HD4870 Toxic, 4GB OCZ PC-6400 DDR2, 500GB Samsung SpinPoint F1, 24" Acer P241WD, Xigmatek S1284, 2x Akasa 120mm Fans, Sony NEC DVD+RW, Logitech Keyboard & G5 which totaled $1,589.29

The same above but with: i7-920, Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R and 3GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1333MHz totaled $1,908.89.