Performance difference because of CPU?

delnaci · Feb 16, 2009, 05:50 AM

Say I wanted to grab a nVidia card for AMD, would the performance be reduced compared to if I were to use an ATI card?

Or is the only difference the support for SLI and CrossFire?

Mussels · Feb 16, 2009, 05:54 AM

the only difference is SLI and crossfire support.

that said, if you were to throw a cheap CPU with a high end video card, you will be held back.

Disruptor4 · Feb 16, 2009, 05:54 AM

Am I correct in saying that you mean if you were to buy a nvidia card while using an AMD CPU, would there be a performance difference compared to using an ATi card?

If so, then it depends on the power of the GPU and CPU and what games you will be using.

Mussels · Feb 16, 2009, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disruptor4

Am I correct in saying that you mean if you were to buy a nvidia card while using an AMD CPU, would there be a performance difference compared to using an ATi card?

If so, then it depends on the power of the GPU and CPU and what games you will be using.

it all comes down to the power of the CPU/video card, not the brands.

There is no bonus speed for matching brands.

MRCL · Feb 16, 2009, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mussels

it all comes down to the power of the CPU/video card, not the brands.

There is no bonus speed for matching brands.

Yet there is for certain games. At least they say so.

delnaci · Feb 16, 2009, 06:02 AM

Okay, thanks for the help.

inf3rno · Feb 16, 2009, 06:37 AM

You are good to go with multiple brands. This is customization....

RevengE · Feb 16, 2009, 08:00 AM

Just make sure you dont get a 4870 with lets say a 3500+ single core LOL just an example, make sure your getting higher end componets with high end cards etc.

inf3rno · Feb 16, 2009, 08:02 AM

I just wanna ask you guys. Please check my system specs and tell is my card being bottle necked by my processor.

eidairaman1 · Feb 16, 2009, 08:04 AM

highly doubt it, I run a 1950 Pro with a 3200.

RevengE · Feb 16, 2009, 08:05 AM

no I think you are okay. you could OC that alittle bit to help, but if i was you I would update to something alittle faster Example: 7750BE or a 9850 BE quad they are getting cheaper and cheaper.Or you could even get a 9600 Newegg has them on sale for cheap..but is your board AM2? Im not firmilar with that motherboard?

inf3rno · Feb 16, 2009, 08:40 AM

My board is am2 not am2+ that is the reason i am hesitating for the upgrade. I was looking to take a jump but the recession broke the dream so it is little bit late.

By the way you can check the board here http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813130050

I wanted the best price performance ratio two years back and i get it. For AMD board we don't have good choices in Pakistan. This one was among the few ones in the market and got it for $100 at that time.

RevengE · Feb 16, 2009, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inf3rno

My board is am2 not am2+ that is the reason i am hesitating for the upgrade. I was looking to take a jump but the recession broke the dream so it is little bit late.

By the way you can check the board here http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813130050

I wanted the best price performance ratio two years back and i get it. For AMD board we don't have good choices in Pakistan. This one was among the few ones in the market and got it for $100 at that time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103300 get this.Or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103773either of those will give you a nice little boost.

inf3rno · Feb 16, 2009, 08:45 AM

Would this board will support this processor. Is not there any conflict between AM2 and AM2+ :-?

RevengE · Feb 16, 2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by inf3rno

Would this board will support this processor. Is not there any conflict between AM2 and AM2+ :-?

The 6000+ is AM2.. Really you shouldnt have a problem you just wont get the benefits of AM2+ if worse comes to worse you could Update your bios. If you are concerned about it just get the 6000+

inf3rno · Feb 16, 2009, 08:54 AM

Yeah the 6000+ looks better upgrade but i have to check that is this board support 125W processors. Is 6000+ black edition because it would be easy to push further on a black edition.

eidairaman1 · Feb 16, 2009, 08:55 AM

actually its basically at its limit, youd be better off with a Kuma.

RevengE · Feb 16, 2009, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inf3rno

Yeah the 6000+ looks better upgrade but i have to check that is this board support 125W processors. Is 6000+ black edition because it would be easy to push further on a black edition.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103272 here is a lower wattage version of that same CPU.

RevengE · Feb 16, 2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by eidairaman1

actually its basically at its limit, youd be better off with a Kuma.

Indeed he would be. I am just offering him options.

eidairaman1 · Feb 16, 2009, 08:59 AM

I still say go with the Kuma if it will support it. Nvmd the unit wont support Quadcore, only Brisbane/Windsor or lower, last bios update for that board was 2007.

hat · Feb 16, 2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by inf3rno

I just wanna ask you guys. Please check my system specs and tell is my card being bottle necked by my processor.

I think you are. I feel my Windsor at 2.88GHz is bottlenecking my 9800gt, and your processor is running a lot slower than mine with a slightly faster video card.

As for running an AMD processor with an Nvidia card, there will always be some performance difference. For example there is nothing from ATi that is exactly as fast as the 9800GT, there is only slower and faster. Also there's the other end of the deal too. For example if I could trade my processor and motherboard for an E8600 and a nice P45 board, keeping every other part of my computer, there would be a performance difference simply because I got a processor that could absolutely destroy my current 5200+ in everything. There might not be a NOTICIBLE fps increace but there would be something there, and of course load times for everything would be chopped down pretty good.

Mussels · Feb 16, 2009, 10:08 AM

yes, i feel its holding it back.

However its not holding it back by any huge amount. we're talking 20-25% at most.

If you can, OC that CPU a little. get it to 2.6GHz or so and you should notice the difference.

inf3rno · Feb 16, 2009, 10:10 AM

Thanks guys i was also doubting about being bottle neck due to my processor. Consider I overclock this machine to little further then still there would be any chances about being bottle neck. And what is your prediction how further can i push this one?

I don't want to overclock through the MSI D.O.T. utility its some kinda of unstable. I want to do this manually.

inf3rno · Feb 16, 2009, 10:15 AM

All I have to downclock my RAM to 667 from 800 and have to raise the FSB from 200. (Can't move multiplyer) and if there is some stability issue i ll add some more voltages to the CPU. Am I right doing these steps for overclocking?

Mussels · Feb 16, 2009, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inf3rno

Thanks guys i was also doubting about being bottle neck due to my processor. Consider I overclock this machine to little further then still there would be any chances about being bottle neck. And what is your prediction how further can i push this one?

I don't want to overclock through the MSI D.O.T. utility its some kinda of unstable. I want to do this manually.

Few of this chips hit 2.8Ghz, so you might be near your limits at 2.6-2.7Ghz.

as we said, its not like its crippling your card. You have a mid range dual core with a 'high' end video card. you're still getting mid range performance, at worst.

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RevengE Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,024 (1.26/day) Thanks: 210 Thanked 210 Times in 192 Posts System Specs	no I think you are okay. you could OC that alittle bit to help, but if i was you I would update to something alittle faster Example: 7750BE or a 9850 BE quad they are getting cheaper and cheaper.Or you could even get a 9600 Newegg has them on sale for cheap..but is your board AM2? Im not firmilar with that motherboard? __________________

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inf3rno Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406 (0.25/day) Thanks: 56 Thanked 41 Times in 39 Posts System Specs	My board is am2 not am2+ that is the reason i am hesitating for the upgrade. I was looking to take a jump but the recession broke the dream so it is little bit late. By the way you can check the board here http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813130050 I wanted the best price performance ratio two years back and i get it. For AMD board we don't have good choices in Pakistan. This one was among the few ones in the market and got it for $100 at that time. __________________ Games Playing Team Fortress 2 CS:S COD:MW2

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inf3rno Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406 (0.25/day) Thanks: 56 Thanked 41 Times in 39 Posts System Specs	Would this board will support this processor. Is not there any conflict between AM2 and AM2+ :-? __________________ Games Playing Team Fortress 2 CS:S COD:MW2

Feb 16, 2009, 08:54 AM	#16
inf3rno Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406 (0.25/day) Thanks: 56 Thanked 41 Times in 39 Posts System Specs	Yeah the 6000+ looks better upgrade but i have to check that is this board support 125W processors. Is 6000+ black edition because it would be easy to push further on a black edition. __________________ Games Playing Team Fortress 2 CS:S COD:MW2

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eidairaman1 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HTX Posts: 10,078 (4.69/day) Thanks: 1,359 Thanked 1,159 Times in 1,035 Posts System Specs	actually its basically at its limit, youd be better off with a Kuma. __________________ Athlon XP USERS with COD 4 FIX http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...ls-202011.html http://www.howorks.com/2011/02/24/ho...-memory-limit/ “Sometimes my level of fail is unprecedented.” -TheMailMan78 “This is what the force of a thousand suns looks like.” -3870x2

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eidairaman1 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HTX Posts: 10,078 (4.69/day) Thanks: 1,359 Thanked 1,159 Times in 1,035 Posts System Specs	I still say go with the Kuma if it will support it. Nvmd the unit wont support Quadcore, only Brisbane/Windsor or lower, last bios update for that board was 2007. __________________ Athlon XP USERS with COD 4 FIX http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...ls-202011.html http://www.howorks.com/2011/02/24/ho...-memory-limit/ “Sometimes my level of fail is unprecedented.” -TheMailMan78 “This is what the force of a thousand suns looks like.” -3870x2 Last edited by eidairaman1; Feb 16, 2009 at 09:10 AM.

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Mussels Doctor Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bendigo, Australia (NOT THE USA) Posts: 34,545 (10.97/day) Thanks: 3,699 Thanked 8,686 Times in 6,387 Posts System Specs	yes, i feel its holding it back. However its not holding it back by any huge amount. we're talking 20-25% at most. If you can, OC that CPU a little. get it to 2.6GHz or so and you should notice the difference. __________________ Edumacational thread about PC Audio My external HDD's.5x samsung 1TB + 2x Seagate 1.5TB = 8 TB external storage 32 Bit OS vs 64 bit OS information How to get hardware accelerated H264 playback (DXVA) Netbook Owners United!

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inf3rno Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406 (0.25/day) Thanks: 56 Thanked 41 Times in 39 Posts System Specs	Thanks guys i was also doubting about being bottle neck due to my processor. Consider I overclock this machine to little further then still there would be any chances about being bottle neck. And what is your prediction how further can i push this one? I don't want to overclock through the MSI D.O.T. utility its some kinda of unstable. I want to do this manually. __________________ Games Playing Team Fortress 2 CS:S COD:MW2

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inf3rno Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406 (0.25/day) Thanks: 56 Thanked 41 Times in 39 Posts System Specs	All I have to downclock my RAM to 667 from 800 and have to raise the FSB from 200. (Can't move multiplyer) and if there is some stability issue i ll add some more voltages to the CPU. Am I right doing these steps for overclocking? __________________ Games Playing Team Fortress 2 CS:S COD:MW2

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