should i do 32bit or 64bit

exodusprime1337 · Feb 17, 2009, 04:13 AM

Here's the deal... i play a lot of mmo's and like to have a crapload of apps running, so i wanted 4gb of ram.. so after putting together my phenom 940 rig i decided to pick up a brandy new kit of ddr2 1066 from g.skill... the ram is great except for one reall big issue..

it doesn't work in x64... now before you start suggesting things let me explain what i've done...

everything!!! i've reinstalled x64 at least 5 times int he last 3 days, i've tried custom drivers, old drivers, new drivers, no drivers, i've tried voltages from the very low voltage to the highest the board offers risking my entire rig. i even tore open my bfg es 800 and turned the pots to manually up the voltage ont he 12,5,3.3 volt rails with a multimeter to make sure they were about their spec by a small amount...

so i'm done trying... i don't know what the deal is but i have a suspicion that it has to do with software... because oddly enough it works fine in 32bit vista.

So my question is... i only really need 3gigs, that'll give me enough to do what i need to do.. will 32 bit vista work fine and give simaler performance to x64.. or do i need to work out this issue and keep at it... i've tried every update, every hotfix... litterally everything... and no luck??

suggestions to something obscure i may have missed is helpful, let me know if you think i should try something different.

ShadowFold · Feb 17, 2009, 04:23 AM

I have no idea what's causing that problem but I run 4gigs under Vista 32bit and it uses up to 3326mb of RAM which ain't bad. Also, what do you mean it doesn't work? Can you elaborate?

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 04:26 AM

well I have 4 Gigs of ram on my pc but it is only able to register 3 gigs

kiriakost · Feb 17, 2009, 04:29 AM

i never understand why people get so large obsession with loads of Gigs of ram .

1,5GB its an enormous number more than enough for anything , so practically 2GB are the top of what one workstation will ever need .

exodusprime1337 · Feb 17, 2009, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiriakost

i never understand why people get so large obsession with loads of Gigs of ram .

1,5GB its an enormous number more than enough for anything , so practically 2GB are the top of what one workstation will ever need .

understandable.. but at times in the games i play and the render's i have to do for work i'll max that out no problem... 2 gigs just ain't enough anymore really

also to elaborate.. about 5 days ago i recieved new from newegg a kit of g.skill ddr2 1066 4gb 2x2 kit, 5,5,5,15,2t @ 2.1v. i checked them immediately because i have a habit of killing or recieveing dead ram... both passed an hour of memtest separately so i put em in, formatted and installed windows vista x64 from scratch. the install went fine, and so did the updates, but shortly after things were installed, drivers/software/games... i got a crash while playing wow, it rendered the game unplayable and i had to reinstall... so begins the journey.. for the last 5 days i have done nothing but try to get it to work... i thought at first, i killed the memory.. so i memtested in my g/f pc and it went fine, i took her corsair ddr2 1066 and put that in, same issues... i tried every voltages and clock setting imaginable, from my previous prime stable oc of 3.95@ 1.52v to about 1000Mhz at 1.55 v... nothing has worked, i've had varying success of keeping the pc running from 5 mins... all the way to 20-30 mins of gaming and then the same crap, blue screen with irq, or page fault, or any other form of blue screen... finally earlier tonight i hit the "windows has encountered and unrecoverable error and must be shut down" this rendered the os unbootable so i said f**k it, i'm goin back to 32 bit... so here i am and after patches/hotfixes/updates and a full install of the latest drivers and bios i'm going strong with my 2 gig kit... so i decide to throw in my 4 gig kit just to see what happens, and what do you know, an hour later with my g.skills at 1168Mhz 5,5,5,15 on stock 2.1v i'm still priming fine and no crashes, i've even tried gaming while priming, although the fps sux the game runs fine... i'm stable.. but only in 32 bit, not 64..

sorry for the long elaboration... i just wanted you to know that i've tried practically everything i could think of... i've never had a 64 bit os.. so i could've missed soemthing.. i'm gonna try dual booting x64 for testing and go from there but i don't know what i'm missing..

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 02:58 PM

well you know what... I'm really pissed at the reviewers who said vista 32bit supports 4gigs of ram...

DanTheBanjoman · Feb 17, 2009, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h3llb3nd4

well you know what... I'm really pissed at the reviewers who said vista 32bit supports 4gigs of ram...

It does, though system RAM isn't the only RAM in your system.

Jakl · Feb 17, 2009, 03:05 PM

Have you tried to setup Vista on stock speeds instead of OC? Your IRQL less than equal can lead to RAM issues and possibly your OC might just not co-operate ...

Your issue seems to be very strange... Just try stock speeds then run stress tests when u get everything completed

X86 Vista - 32bit
X64 - 64bit

Nitro-Max · Feb 17, 2009, 03:05 PM

The 4 gig includes graphics memory also

n-ster · Feb 17, 2009, 03:08 PM

and only 2gigs of ram per application... as of the 4gigs, usually it means including your graphic cards memory ^^ beat me to it

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 03:10 PM

right I installed 2x 2gb of ram, it only reads 3gbs.
Yes I've always installed vista on stock speeds.

Nitro-Max · Feb 17, 2009, 03:10 PM

If you was to force it to read and use the whole memory available on a 32bit os it would throw out errors and be pretty unstable.

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 03:11 PM

and graphics mem is 256mb ddr3

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 03:11 PM

Right thanks...

fenurch · Feb 17, 2009, 03:23 PM

[off-topic] Wait, Vista 32bit doesn't support over 4GB of ram? Does 64 support it? [/off-topic]

Jakl · Feb 17, 2009, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATZ

[off-topic] Wait, Vista 32bit doesn't support over 4GB of ram? Does 64 support it? [/off-topic]

Vista 32bit - Windows CANNOT see over 3.2gb RAM
Vista 64bit - Up to 12gb RAM (or 8, i forgot which)

Haytch · Feb 17, 2009, 03:28 PM

I dont know which review stated that Vista x86 could support 4gb of RAM, but it simply isnt possible (4Gb including video, cpu and whatever doesnt count, im talking about the actual RAM modules). Thats why x64 bit exists. I dont believe 2Gb is enough in this day and age, unless ofcourse your not utilizing the ram, why else would they bother building boards that can handle 32Gb or more.

If you want 4Gb of ram or more, then you MUST have a 64bit operating system installed. As to why it wont recognize the 4gb might be related to a vendor conflict. Im not exactly sure why your having these issues, but i have never experienced what your going thru now except one time i had a really shitty power supply, it was an Antec 500 trying to powerup a Q6600, 2x8800GTX's and a shitload of fans and hdd's.

I stopped using x86 4 years ago and have never looked back.
Have you tried XP x64 ? What about the w7 x64 30day trial ? I doubt your running your Vista x64 without the service pack and updates because that right there would be your issue. Might want to Vlite yourself an O.S. Personally i only used Vista x64 because i needed to witness the DirectX10 stuff and wanted to play with the SDK tool and feel as thou im actually using some of the GPU's potential, but beyond that . . .
For anything else, i used XP x64 due to the extreme difference i noticed performance wise utilizing the exact same hardware. Please note, im speaking in a past tense because i only use w7 x64 now and look forward to its official release.

Please note : - Vista x64's maximum RAM is 128Gb. Theoretical maximum RAM for x64 is 16 exobytes or something overkill like that.

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 03:37 PM

nah I wouldn't bother with x64 because it takes so LOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGG to freaKKin install x86, so x64 must take a little longer.

Jakl · Feb 17, 2009, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h3llb3nd4

nah I wouldn't bother with x64 because it takes so LOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGG to freaKKin install x86, so x64 must take a little longer.

That makes no sence... It takes the same time to install a 32bit OS versus a 64bit OS....

fenurch · Feb 17, 2009, 03:41 PM

Sweet, if it takes up to 8, that's enough.
I'll get another 4 (+ the 2 i have atm) and I'll get a Vista Ultimate x64 ^^

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 03:52 PM

you know if you add too much ram your system sometimes might go skwonk
read this in bit-tech.net somewhere...

h3llb3nd4 · Feb 17, 2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjJakl

That makes no sence... It takes the same time to install a 32bit OS versus a 64bit OS....

Really? k then I must try it out...
Man I like your sig.

ap4lifetn · Feb 17, 2009, 03:58 PM

could it be related to 940's IMC issues? maybe vista 64 puts more strain on the IMC then vista 32 does? just a thought

Nitro-Max · Feb 17, 2009, 04:00 PM

Adding extra ram blocks can also make any overclocking you have at the moment unstable and you might have to re tweak it all.

driver66 · Feb 17, 2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjJakl

Vista 32bit - Windows CANNOT see over 3.2gb RAM
Vista 64bit - Up to 12gb RAM (or 8, i forgot which)

128 GB for x64

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr..._windows_vista

Feb 17, 2009, 04:13 AM	#1
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ShadowFold Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 12,855 (6.49/day) Thanks: 1,381 Thanked 1,681 Times in 1,498 Posts System Specs	I have no idea what's causing that problem but I run 4gigs under Vista 32bit and it uses up to 3326mb of RAM which ain't bad. Also, what do you mean it doesn't work? Can you elaborate?

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Hard Disk:	2 x 300gig sata seagate 7200.10 in raid 0/ 1.5TB for backup
Optical Drive:	samsung writemaster sata dual layer 16x dvd lightscribe
CRT/LCD Model:	acer 24" TFT LCD AL2416WBSD
Case:	Antec 902
Sound Card:	XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro series
PSU:	ocz gamextreme 700w
Software:	windows 7 ultimate

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