Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W

W1zzard · Jul 26, 2007, 07:08 PM

To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/T...ghpower_1200W/

WarEagleAU · Jul 29, 2007, 08:21 PM

Great Review as Always W1zzard.

Couple of things to like, the bundle of cables provided, ample amps and voltage, great efficacy, modular, finish and look, components inside, large cooling fan.

dislikes, noise and no throttle control <G>

I must say I am impressed with Thermaltake through this round. However, the price is well within range of similar offers from PC Power & Cooling and Enermax.

HellasVagabond · Jul 29, 2007, 08:26 PM

Nice review but it would be cool if this could work with 85%+ efficiency...

WarEagleAU · Jul 30, 2007, 03:32 AM

it says up to 87% so Im assuming its 75 tp 87% effective.

W1zzard · Jul 30, 2007, 05:30 AM

a psu efficiency is not the same over all the load .. so manufacturers test at the best possible conditions to get their efficiency rating.

we always test with the same setup which makes our numbers independent from other ones, but they are of course still comparable within all our units tested

KennyT772 · Jul 30, 2007, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zz

The 3.3V line tends to fluctuate quite a bit, but no important devices are connected there, so this is of minor concern.

Memory voltages are generated from 3.3v, memory is an important device w1zz. I'm not sure if ddr2 volts are still 3.3v generated but a high fluctuation on my 3.3 leads to instability on my ram.

I think it is time to get a new system for testing power supplies, something similar to [H]ardocp's setup. Testing every aspect of the psu, under heat and high load, will really give a good review. I know this kind of setup isn't cheap, but you can't say they don't put out a good review.

ex_reven · Jul 30, 2007, 10:54 AM

General Question regarding Modular PSU:
Why is the ATX power cable never modular? i.e. you cant unplug it, replace it, etc.

W1zzard · Jul 30, 2007, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyT772

Memory voltages are generated from 3.3v, memory is an important device w1zz. I'm not sure if ddr2 volts are still 3.3v generated but a high fluctuation on my 3.3 leads to instability on my ram.

I think it is time to get a new system for testing power supplies, something similar to [H]ardocp's setup. Testing every aspect of the psu, under heat and high load, will really give a good review. I know this kind of setup isn't cheap, but you can't say they don't put out a good review.

our current setup is like 5k$ already. the problem with those automated tester reviews are that they have a different load profile than a typical pc. sure you can test up to a gazillion watts. and that helps how? show me a pc that even consumes 500w.

programmable dc loads for +3.3v, +5v and +12v should cost around $1.5k. not really willing to spend that amount of money for a little improvement

W1zzard · Jul 30, 2007, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex_reven

General Question regarding Modular PSU:
Why is the ATX power cable never modular? i.e. you cant unplug it, replace it, etc.

because there are small losses at each connector. since you will never run a psu without atx power or +12v power the cables is fixed on most units now. it also helps you save a few cents for the plug.

ex_reven · Jul 30, 2007, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

because there are small losses at each connector. since you will never run a psu without atx power or +12v power the cables is fixed on most units now. it also helps you save a few cents for the plug.

True.
It makes for a pain in the ass when you need a couple of cm more cable reach though

Thanks.

DrunkenMafia · Jul 30, 2007, 12:04 PM

who in god's name needs 1.2kw worth of dc voltage!!!!! haaaahaaaa. Are people crazy, that system you used w1zz with the XTX crossfired cards only used about 460watts...

I think this whole psu craze is getting a little out of hand...

That is a tough looking powersupply but I am sure it is just 2 600watt psu's in the one box. Even the sticker on the side has the 4 12v rails seperated into 2 pairs...

Can you actually build a pc that will ever need that much power, it would cost a fortune to run.. It would be up there with a bloody airconditioner..

KennyT772 · Jul 31, 2007, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

our current setup is like 5k$ already. the problem with those automated tester reviews are that they have a different load profile than a typical pc. sure you can test up to a gazillion watts. and that helps how? show me a pc that even consumes 500w.

programmable dc loads for +3.3v, +5v and +12v should cost around $1.5k. not really willing to spend that amount of money for a little improvement

I understand the load isn't what a pc would put on a psu but how would you know if your psu can even hold up to its rated output etc. I didn't realize your current setup is around $5K

Easy Rhino · Aug 1, 2007, 02:23 AM

wow that thing is nuts. when are we going to need this type of power?

kwchang007 · Aug 1, 2007, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

wow that thing is nuts. when are we going to need this type of power?

When they come out with HD 4900xt that uses 2x the power of a HD 2900 xt and we run them in crossfire (3 card xfire) with our 8 cores@4 ghz using phase change cooling. Then you have 3 separate water cooling loops for the 4900's and another loop for nb, ram, and w/e else you feel like cooling. Maybe, just maybe you'll be able to max it.

W1zzard · Aug 1, 2007, 07:45 AM

i think at the moment we are at a point where you can't increase power draw and heat output anymore.. the current trend seems to be increase processing power while keeping or reducing power draw. just like intel c2d or 8800 gtx

newconroer · Aug 1, 2007, 08:24 AM

What's with all the recent reviews ending in 9.1? Sheesh.

And does this mean this module falls into the tier 2 category with those other bunk PSUs on that compare list?

Not one Silverstone on there, guess it isn't tier 1.

I also don't see the part where you prove that the 'combined' 12v actually work. Seems like another gimmick.

Easy Rhino · Aug 1, 2007, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

i think at the moment we are at a point where you can't increase power draw and heat output anymore.. the current trend seems to be increase processing power while keeping or reducing power draw. just like intel c2d or 8800 gtx

yea that is what i thought which runs contrary to all this megawatt psu trend. if processors anre getting faster and less power hungry why do we need a 1200 watter?

Micma99 · Apr 26, 2011, 09:55 PM

I have one of those after 28 months of near 24/7 on the fan started to rub against the cage rib. TT gladly rma'd it, but sending that heavy weight PSU costs over 40$ postage. In exchange though they sent me a brand new unit in return.

I also have a pure power 550w with the same fan problem but it was past warranty.

Why put cheap fans in these expensive PSU's?

Jul 26, 2007, 07:08 PM	#1
W1zzard Benevolent Dictator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 13,873 (4.17/day) Thanks: 184 Thanked 10,456 Times in 3,219 Posts System Specs	Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/T...ghpower_1200W/ Last edited by W1zzard; Jul 30, 2007 at 10:54 AM.

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WarEagleAU Bird of Prey Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gurley, AL Posts: 9,994 (3.94/day) Thanks: 3,810 Thanked 557 Times in 521 Posts System Specs	Great Review as Always W1zzard. Couple of things to like, the bundle of cables provided, ample amps and voltage, great efficacy, modular, finish and look, components inside, large cooling fan. dislikes, noise and no throttle control <G> I must say I am impressed with Thermaltake through this round. However, the price is well within range of similar offers from PC Power & Cooling and Enermax. __________________ =-TheEagle-= http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=62454 “You crazy? Surfing any website without an antivirus is like freaking with a dirty woman without protection” -OzzmanFloyd120 - Edited for content and clarity

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WarEagleAU Bird of Prey Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gurley, AL Posts: 9,994 (3.94/day) Thanks: 3,810 Thanked 557 Times in 521 Posts System Specs	it says up to 87% so Im assuming its 75 tp 87% effective. __________________ =-TheEagle-= http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=62454 “You crazy? Surfing any website without an antivirus is like freaking with a dirty woman without protection” -OzzmanFloyd120 - Edited for content and clarity

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Easy Rhino Linux Advocate Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,284 (4.27/day) Thanks: 1,219 Thanked 2,789 Times in 1,801 Posts System Specs	wow that thing is nuts. when are we going to need this type of power?

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Aug 1, 2007, 07:45 AM	#15
W1zzard Benevolent Dictator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 13,873 (4.17/day) Thanks: 184 Thanked 10,456 Times in 3,219 Posts System Specs	i think at the moment we are at a point where you can't increase power draw and heat output anymore.. the current trend seems to be increase processing power while keeping or reducing power draw. just like intel c2d or 8800 gtx

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newconroer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,271 (1.04/day) Thanks: 101 Thanked 232 Times in 195 Posts System Specs	What's with all the recent reviews ending in 9.1? Sheesh. And does this mean this module falls into the tier 2 category with those other bunk PSUs on that compare list? Not one Silverstone on there, guess it isn't tier 1. I also don't see the part where you prove that the 'combined' 12v actually work. Seems like another gimmick.

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