small basic is out!

[Braveheart]

microsofts easiest and coolest computer programing language. wow this is soo easy! I've wrote programs in C++, VB, C# and so far my favorite's are C# and small basic, what do you guys think of it?

[lemonadesoda]

It worries me that there are only "15 keywords". That seems like an awfully small basic to me. However, looking at the User Guide/Introduction it seems that it is really "Object Basic" and with object references there is much more flexibility than just "15 keywords".

If it is easy to use... AND... it introduces object oriented language to the beginner... AND... it is sufficiently similar to BASIC, then great!

However, I'm not really sure about the benefit of this over VB Express. A very friendly BASIC should allow statements like "PRINT" and "INPUT" and not require object methods identical to VB. If it does... then why not just use VB. Difference? Compiled vs. interpretted?

For anyone that tries it out... please comment... even better, do a very basic algorithm and see how speeds compare between Small Basic and C++ and VB.

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by lemonadesoda

It worries me that there are only "15 keywords". That seems like an awfully small basic to me. However, looking at the User Guide/Introduction it seems that it is really "Object Basic" and with object references there is much more flexibility than just "15 keywords".

If it is easy to use... AND... it introduces object oriented language to the beginner... AND... it is sufficiently similar to BASIC, then great!

However, I'm not really sure about the benefit of this over VB Express. A very friendly BASIC should allow statements like "PRINT" and "INPUT" and not require object methods identical to VB. If it does... then why not just use VB. Difference? Compiled vs. interpretted?

For anyone that tries it out... please comment... even better, do a very basic algorithm and see how speeds compare between Small Basic and C++ and VB.

AHH! NERD! jk
I wish i could really get into programming, just doesn't seem like I have the time. I really liked basic, it helped me learn programming, and I even made a few very fun games with it.
+1 very rare thanks from me, for finding this.

[lemonadesoda]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

AHH! NERD!

Thanks for the compliment!

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by lemonadesoda

Thanks for the compliment!

Exactly
I'm just a wannabe nerd ATM.

There's a lot of things i wannabe: Guitarist, software developer, level 80 human paladin, etc...

[h3llb3nd4]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

Exactly
I'm just a wannabe nerd ATM.

There's a lot of things i wannabe: Guitarist, software developer, level 80 human paladin, etc...

LOL I wannabe a general

[3870x2]

O, but you CAN! smoke a few ounces of HASH and play C&C:Generals!

[h3llb3nd4]

LOLz

[3870x2]

Alright guys, Im posting a Small Basic thread!
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=1283213

[Braveheart]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

Alright guys, Im posting a Small Basic thread!
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=1283213

sweet, this should be fun!

[Kreij]

The thing that drives me nuts about Small Basic, is that like QBasic there is no varying levels of scope (ie. all variables are global) so you cannot pass variables into subroutines. Makes for lots of spagetti code.

In any event, I'll put something togther and post it in the other thread.

[3870x2]

sounds great! as we all know, small basic/Qbasic is very basic, but can be fun to toy around with.

Remember that thread can be anything that can be programmed.

[lemonadesoda]

Originally Posted by Kreij

The thing that drives me nuts about Small Basic, is that like QBasic there is no varying levels of scope (ie. all variables are global) so you cannot pass variables into subroutines. Makes for lots of spagetti code.

?confused?

http://library.thinkquest.org/19436/lesson8.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Qbasic-Qu...ined-types.htm
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hwiegman/qb-man/SUB.html

[3870x2]

WHAT!!! is anoyone going to post a challenge? I should have a game and a useful progam up by the end of the day. If you like the program, THANK THEM, it will kinda count as a vote. Who knows, there might be some very useful programs coming out of this.

[Braveheart]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

WHAT!!! is anoyone going to post a challenge? I should have a game and a useful progam up by the end of the day. If you like the program, THANK THEM, it will kinda count as a vote. Who knows, there might be some very useful programs coming out of this.

im working on it. im working on my blender game at the same time so im not getting a ton done, can't get stupid blender to work

[RevengE]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

Exactly
I'm just a wannabe nerd ATM.

There's a lot of things i wannabe: Guitarist, software developer, level 80 human paladin, etc...

I'm a guitarist and a Nerd! It can be done my friend, all you need to do to achieve this goal is 1.spend countless hours staring at your computer. 2.hear your fiancé yell at you due to the amount of hours you spend Staring at your computer. 3. Play the guitar after your done staring at your computer for countless hours. 4.go to work 5.repeat steps 1-4.

[Braveheart]

Originally Posted by xRevengEx

I'm a guitarist and a Nerd! It can be done my friend, all you need to do to achieve this goal is 1.spend countless hours staring at your computer. 2.hear your fiancé yell at you due to the amount of hours you spend Staring at your computer. 3. Play the guitar after your done staring at your computer for countless hours. 4.go to work 5.repeat steps 1-4.

so you choose geekness over a wife?

[RevengE]

no man, I was just kidding

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by lemonadesoda

?confused?

When you have varying levels of scope it means that when something goes out of scope, anything created inside of the scope gets disposed.

For instance, in C# you can do something like ...

int a = 10;
int c = 0;

private int DoSomething (int number)
{
    int b = number * number;
    return b;
}

c = DoSomething(10);

This is an extremely simple example.

Since the variable b in created in the scope of the DoSomething method (or subroutine as they are called in Basic), it gets disposed when the method exits. Variable b ONLY exists in the method. It cannot be used from outside of the method.

In Small Basic ALL variables are global and can be used anywhere in the program. Because of this, passing a variable into a subroutine has no meaning, and therefore cannot be done.

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by Kreij

When you have varying levels of scope it means that when something goes out of scope, anything created inside of the scope gets disposed.

For instance, in C# you can do something like ...

int a = 10;
int c = 0;

private int DoSomething (int number)
{
    int b = number * number;
    return b;
}

c = DoSomething(10);

This is an extremely simple example.

Since the variable b in created in the scope of the DoSomething method (or subroutine as they are called in Basic), it gets disposed when the method exits. Variable b ONLY exists in the method. It cannot be used from outside of the method.

In Small Basic ALL variables are global and can be used anywhere in the program. Because of this, passing a variable into a subroutine has no meaning, and therefore cannot be done.

Don't mess with kreij, his avatar is a picture of his daily breakfast.

However, as you see kreij, he meant different types of variables, like floating point, etc....

I am working on my program as we speak, and will post an example of how they should be posted, to make it look neat and clean.

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

Don't mess with kreij, his avatar is a picture of his daily breakfast.

However, as you see kreij, he meant different types of variables, like floating point, etc....

I am working on my program as we speak, and will post an example of how they should be posted, to make it look neat and clean.

Now I'm ?confused?. Lemonade quoted my post on scope and said he was confused so I explained scope. What does that have to do with variable types?

Anyway, I was working on an enterprise resource planning application all day so I didn't have a chance to play with SB.
Maybe I can fiddle around with it this weekend at home.

[3870x2]

"(ie. all variables are global) so you cannot pass variables into subroutines"

[Braveheart]

im almost done with the MS tutorial that came with it and thus almost done with a pretty nice little console calculator.

[3870x2]

Awesome, looking forward to it.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by lemonadesoda

For anyone that tries it out... please comment... even better, do a very basic algorithm and see how speeds compare between Small Basic and C++ and VB.

I assume it runs on the .NET framework so the performance is probably the same.

Originally Posted by 3870x2

WHAT!!! is anoyone going to post a challenge? I should have a game and a useful progam up by the end of the day. If you like the program, THANK THEM, it will kinda count as a vote. Who knows, there might be some very useful programs coming out of this.

I don't code unless I have something to code. You know, take this 10 step process and make it a 1 step process...