Pioneer Launches New Blu-Ray Burner

malware · Apr 14, 2009, 05:49 PM

Pioneer on Tuesday announced the release of its latest Blu-ray, DVD and CD writer, the BDR-2203. Using SATA interface, the BDR-2203 writes dual-layer Blu-Ray media at up to 8x speeds, equal to about 15 minutes of your time for writing a single-layer 25 GB Blu-Ray disc, or just about 30 minutes for completion of a dual-layer 50 GB disc. The burner also writes recordable DVDs at 16x, dual-layer DVDs at 8x, CD-R media at 32x, and CD rewritable discs at 24x. Along with the burner you'll receive CyberLink PowerDirector, PowerDVD, and Power2Go software products. The BDR-2203 should already be in stores, with a suggested retail price of $250.

Source: Electronista

alexp999 · Apr 14, 2009, 05:51 PM

I cant wait till Blu-Ray burners are like DVD drives now.

A quick after though of $30, that can chuck discs out in under 2mins!

Mistral · Apr 14, 2009, 06:02 PM

Cool, the moment the price drops by about 70% I'll likely get one...

EastCoasthandle · Apr 14, 2009, 06:11 PM

I've been keeping my eye on BR and it appears that they know that BR is a niche market. Therefore IMO, attempting to maximize profit on every unit sold. We may never see a BR player as cheap as current dvd players.

alexp999 · Apr 14, 2009, 06:12 PM

Sure we will, my dad paid about £200 for his CD burner.

Studabaker · Apr 14, 2009, 06:13 PM

Yeah give it around 3 years and BR burners will cost $50.

EastCoasthandle · Apr 14, 2009, 06:13 PM

Prices have only come down as manufacturing costs have gotten slightly cheaper. Besides, bleed edge hardware is historically more expensive. But I still see them trying to maximize profit on each unit sold none the less.

freaksavior · Apr 14, 2009, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexp999

Sure we will, my dad paid about £200 for his CD burner.

my grand mother stood in line to get a VHS player and paid $500 for it. Blu ray will come down.

EastCoasthandle · Apr 14, 2009, 06:20 PM

And rightly so, there wasn't a time prior to that were folk could actually bring home movies and watch them in mass as we do today. And, there wasn't a competing product being sold significantly cheaper either. IMO, 2 different types of markets. One can't relate to another. Both Beta and VHS brought about "Home Theater" to the masses.

Weer · Apr 14, 2009, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freaksavior

my grand mother stood in line to get a VHS player and paid $500 for it. Blu ray will come down.

I have an old (antique) VHS recorder. I'll sell it to you for ~500$.

I bought my 6x BD Burner from Newegg for 200$. I honestly don't see why I'd want to burn a disk (no matter what kind) quickly. It takes only a few minutes anyway. If it were in the realm of hours, it would be a different story, but 10 or 20 minutes and 100 or 200 dollars is ridiculous. And even then, you can just leave it on at night. Heck, the only thing I'd burn a BD for now adays is to backup pirated games, err.. I mean store precious memories taken with my HD camcorder.

tigger · Apr 14, 2009, 06:46 PM

So how long does it take to burn 25gb and 50gb discs? i mean really,has anyone actually burned one.

Weer · Apr 14, 2009, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigger

So how long does it take to burn 25gb and 50gb discs? i mean really,has anyone actually burned one.

I think the more appropriate question is how much one of those disks cost.

But I really don't see why their prices aren't going down almost at all. Three years ago when news of the PS3 came about I had an 80GB HDD and a CD Buner, so I was amazed at the 25-50GB capacity on a single disk. But now? With my 6TB of hard-drive space (and games not taking more than a DVD9)? Not really. It will take years for games to come out at anything close to 15GB, let alone 25GB or 50GB. Heck, it took us 10 years to go from 800MB to 8GB, so maybe Blu-ray will only become mainstream around ~2015.

timta2 · Apr 14, 2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weer

I think the more appropriate question is how much one of those disks cost.

But I really don't see why their prices aren't going down almost at all. Three years ago when news of the PS3 came about I had an 80GB HDD and a CD Buner, so I was amazed at the 25-50GB capacity on a single disk. But now? With my 6TB of hard-drive space (and games not taking more than a DVD9)? Not really. It will take years for games to come out at anything close to 15GB, let alone 25GB or 50GB. Heck, it took us 10 years to go from 800MB to 8GB, so maybe Blu-ray will only become mainstream around ~2015.

Games of 15GB in size are quickly approaching if not here. Take a look at F.E.A.R. 2.

Weer · Apr 14, 2009, 07:52 PM

Actually, I haven't gotten F.E.A.R. 2 yet. As far as I know, there is no game above 8GB, except for The Orange Box, which was 15GB, but is a compilation.

FordGT90Concept · Apr 14, 2009, 07:57 PM

Grand Theft Auto IV weighed in at about 13 GB (DVD9 + DVD5).

alexp999 · Apr 14, 2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Grand Theft Auto IV weighed in at about 13 GB (DVD9 + DVD5).

Exactly as I was going to say

FordGT90Concept · Apr 14, 2009, 08:00 PM

Oh, and don't worry about games shipping on BluRay disks until BluRay players are the norm in gaming computers. That won't happen until about six months after the drives are under $60 each. Be prepared for 4 DVD DL disk installs!

iStink · Apr 14, 2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Oh, and don't worry about games shipping on BluRay disks until BluRay players are the norm in gaming computers. That won't happen until about six months after the drives are under $60 each. Be prepared for 4 DVD DL disk installs!

when hl2 came out, me and my little brother bought it, and i think it was like 6 CD's lol. At the time, DVD drives were still relatively expensive (if I remember correctly) so all we had was a cd drive.

What a pain in the butt that was to install.

Assassin48 · Apr 14, 2009, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Oh, and don't worry about games shipping on BluRay disks until BluRay players are the norm in gaming computers. That won't happen until about six months after the drives are under $60 each. Be prepared for 4 DVD DL disk installs!

Your forgetting about PS3 every PS3 game is Blu-Ray

alexp999 · Apr 14, 2009, 08:38 PM

Doesnt mean to say its using all that space tho

GTA IV fit on single DVD for the 360

Yukikaze · Apr 14, 2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weer

Actually, I haven't gotten F.E.A.R. 2 yet. As far as I know, there is no game above 8GB, except for The Orange Box, which was 15GB, but is a compilation.

Empire: Total War has a HUGE install footprint.

FordGT90Concept · Apr 14, 2009, 09:19 PM

Rockstar went overboard with the textures for the PC release. On PS3 and XB360 versions, they probably scaled the textures way down to fit on a DVD9 (or equivilent) disk. They do that not only to spare having to change DVDs all the time but also because both consoles only have 256 MiB graphics memory. 256 MiB graphics memory on PC forced low settings on GTA4.

alexp999 · Apr 14, 2009, 09:21 PM

GTA IV for the 360 doesnt have scaled down textures

The reason the PC release is so big is because it is multi-lingual, so it has all the audio tracks present, for the 360 (not sure about PS3), you have different language releases, so it all fits on one DVD

Whats interesting with the PC release is that it is obviously cheaper to do one version with an extra disc, than more than one version with only one disc.

mrw1986 · Apr 14, 2009, 10:16 PM

Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3 uses the entire 50gb Blu-ray disc.

Slyr7.62 · Apr 15, 2009, 12:44 AM

Lol, I don't get why it can only burn "CD-R media at 32x". Wait, yes I do, it will never fully replace "older" drivers while people are still burning stuff(music) to CD.

Apr 14, 2009, 05:49 PM	#1
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Apr 15, 2009, 12:44 AM	#25
Slyr7.62 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: United States Posts: 59 (0.03/day) Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts System Specs	Lol, I don't get why it can only burn "CD-R media at 32x". Wait, yes I do, it will never fully replace "older" drivers while people are still burning stuff(music) to CD.

System Name:	Distrophe
Processor:	Intel E8400 OC'd to 3.6ghz w/ 1.20V
Motherboard:	Gigabyte EP45-UD3R F11 Bios
Cooling:	Xigmatek HDT-S1283 w/ Bolt-Thru kit
Memory:	4x1GB Kingston HyperX KHX8500 Micron D9GKX @ 1200MHz 5-5-5-15 1.92V
Video Card:	Nvidia PNY XLR8 GTX 260
Hard Disk:	Western Digital
Optical Drive:	Samsung SH-S223F DVD Burner
CRT/LCD Model:	NEC Multisync FE950 & Sony SDM-HS75P
Case:	Cooler Master RC-690 modded
PSU:	Ultra X-Finity SLI 500W
Benchmarks:	Approx 14,500 3DMark06.

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