*** F@H Tech Assistance Thread ***

BUCK NASTY · Jul 10, 2009, 03:00 AM

F@h Tech Assistance Thread. Post up your issues and we will help you.

bogmali · Jul 10, 2009, 10:23 AM

Great idea Buck.......

mosheen · Jul 10, 2009, 11:22 AM

Is there any client for a ati 9000/9200 or 8500 around??
my old laptop is on 24/7 for file sharing purposes and its got WCG client already.
what can i do with the gpu??

msgclb · Jul 10, 2009, 05:35 PM

I had my MSI K9A2 Platium running (2) galaxy GTS 250 cards using XP Pro 32-bit but I noticed these cards get hot. I tried a 120mm fan over the cards and that helped some. Something else that I've noticed is the GPU core clock throttles down while the screensaver is running.

I had a better image but lost it when I used the PSU, hard drive and DVD from this rig on another machine. This project will have to wait for some cash to buy more parts. Any idea how I'm going to solve the above two problems when I get back to this project?

stanhemi · Jul 10, 2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosheen

Is there any client for a ati 9000/9200 or 8500 around??
my old laptop is on 24/7 for file sharing purposes and its got WCG client already.
what can i do with the gpu??

no only for hd2xxx hd3xxx hd4xxx ati series

mike047 · Jul 10, 2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msgclb

I had my MSI K9A2 Platium running (2) galaxy GTS 250 cards using XP Pro 32-bit but I noticed these cards get hot. I tried a 120mm fan over the cards and that helped some. Something else that I've noticed is the GPU core clock throttles down while the screensaver is running.

I had a better image but lost it when I used the PSU, hard drive and DVD from this rig on another machine. This project will have to wait for some cash to buy more parts. Any idea how I'm going to solve the above two problems when I get back to this project?

That is an ongoing issue with 250s. My Evga's[3 in one box] will occasionally do this. It usually is a different one each time[I don't use a screen saver]. Reboot will get it back up. There are several threads around and at FAH forum addressing this without a fix. It has been surmised that it was a 250 bios issue.

msgclb · Jul 10, 2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike047

That is an ongoing issue with 250s. My Evga's[3 in one box] will occasionally do this. It usually is a different one each time[I don't use a screen saver]. Reboot will get it back up. There are several threads around and at FAH forum addressing this without a fix. It has been surmised that it was a 250 bios issue.

Thanks Mike. I was considering buying one evga 250 or maybe 9800 to go with my 250s that will be running as part of a 3 system KVM so I won't need a screen saver. To put my mind at ease I guess that I could put a halon fire suppression system over those cards!

bogmali · Jul 10, 2009, 08:25 PM

I have 2 XFX GTS250's and I never had any heat issue. The most that I've seen mine was 83%. Did you turn the fans to at least 90%?

BUCK NASTY · Jul 10, 2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msgclb

I had my MSI K9A2 Platium running (2) galaxy GTS 250 cards using XP Pro 32-bit but I noticed these cards get hot. I tried a 120mm fan over the cards and that helped some. Something else that I've noticed is the GPU core clock throttles down while the screensaver is running.

http://img.techpowerup.org/090703/F@H 07-02-09-1.jpg

I had a better image but lost it when I used the PSU, hard drive and DVD from this rig on another machine. This project will have to wait for some cash to buy more parts. Any idea how I'm going to solve the above two problems when I get back to this project?

These cards run hot and I can't cool mine down either. Constant 80'c and highs of 90C are what I experiance(overclocked). I have applied AS-5 and even run full 12v to the fans. I will mod the cooling system this weekend and post pics in the Galaxy GTS250 thread.

I had the same throttling problem with the WCG screensaver. I have disabled all screensavers on every rig and the only throttling probs I have now are on driver crashes/GPU recovery's.

msgclb · Jul 10, 2009, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bogmali

I have 2 XFX GTS250's and I never had any heat issue. The most that I've seen mine was 83%. Did you turn the fans to at least 90%?

I'll trade you!

At the time I was using my 250s the temperature outside was in the 100s and inside my AC couldn't keep it below 85. The fan was at 100% with the temp easing up to the 90s. This was only the first card. I put a fan over the cards and it lowered. I was thinking of using an EVGA or maybe XFX GTS250 in slot 1 with the other 2 cards to see if that helped.

But first I need a PSU.

BUCK NASTY · Jul 11, 2009, 12:31 AM

Experimenting with different cooling options for the Galaxy GTS 250...

NastyHabits · Jul 13, 2009, 05:25 PM

I've been bitten by the folding bug, and it's clear that NVIDIA trumps ATI in folding. (I can find no hard numbers, but I accept the verdict nonetheless.)

I don't have a ton of cash, but would this be acceptable as a replacement for my 4850?

Open Box Zotac 9800 GTX

It's not the PC listed in my system specs, but a P35 with a E6750 @ 3.6 GHz.

Thanks

bogmali · Jul 13, 2009, 05:28 PM

It trumps the 4850 in folding by a wide margin, you're looking at 5.5K-6K PPD right there.

NastyHabits · Jul 13, 2009, 05:32 PM

Drat! Someone already snagged it. But thanks for the quick reply

msgclb · Jul 13, 2009, 05:44 PM

TechPowerUp! video card reviews now include a Folding@Home section. This latest review for the Sapphire HD 4730 512 MB is at...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...D_4730/22.html

NastyHabits · Jul 13, 2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msgclb

TechPowerUp! video card reviews now include a Folding@Home section. This latest review for the Sapphire HD 4730 512 MB is at...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...D_4730/22.html

At last some hard numbers from a souce I trust.

Looks like anything 9800 and up gives decent results. Though one wonders what you could do with two or three of these

thebluebumblebee · Jul 13, 2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NastyHabits

At last some hard numbers from a souce I trust.

Looks like anything 9800 and up gives decent results. Though one wonders what you could do with two or three of these

Hey, you try them out and let us know.

Seriously, look at the systems that mike047 is selling. Those 256MB 8800GT's are known as some of the most efficient Folders per watt.

BUCK NASTY · Jul 13, 2009, 11:55 PM

Anything smaller than 128sp is not worth purchasing going forward. 8800GS/9600GSO and 8800GT/9800GT get eaten alive by 511pt units and F@H work units will not get any easier. Gone are the days of 96sp cards pulling 5300 ppd all day long

theonedub · Aug 1, 2009, 02:54 AM

How do I disable rec 1888 pointers? I got one and it sat for 40 mins to get to 2% and the entire time my GPU never increased in temp so it was not doing anything effectively. May as well tell me how to rid myself of 511s as well. Appreciate it.

stanhemi · Aug 1, 2009, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonedub

How do I disable rec 1888 pointers? I got one and it sat for 40 mins to get to 2% and the entire time my GPU never increased in temp so it was not doing anything effectively. May as well tell me how to rid myself of 511s as well. Appreciate it.

you can't disabled WU if i'm correct and yes the 1888 pt's are annoying (take 7h to do with my 9800gt and the 511pt heat my card +10c)

BUCK NASTY · Aug 1, 2009, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonedub

How do I disable rec 1888 pointers? I got one and it sat for 40 mins to get to 2% and the entire time my GPU never increased in temp so it was not doing anything effectively. May as well tell me how to rid myself of 511s as well. Appreciate it.

The 1888 pt WU's operate in a "pulse" manner to keep the temp down on the cards. They are actually very productive work units. The 511's are heat monsters. You cannot avoid a work unit. I have tried blocking IP addresses to "avoid" the 511 servers, to no avail. I have realized that I must deal with what they send me. Sorry man.

theonedub · Aug 1, 2009, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUCK NASTY

The 1888 pt WU's operate in a "pulse" manner to keep the temp down on the cards. They are actually very productive work units. The 511's are heat monsters. You cannot avoid a work unit. I have tried blocking IP addresses to "avoid" the 511 servers, to no avail. I have realized that I must deal with what they send me. Sorry man.

Oh, I see. I was worried there was a problem. Is it normal for Fahmon's indicator to stay yellow much longer and show 0 PPD for those 1888s as well? Maybe I was not patient enough...

I'm a little nervous to get hit by the 511s if they cause as much heat as you guys say. My ambient temps are high during the day and the card gets to 68C already doing the 353s. At night the temps are much more manageable with the GPU @ 52C loaded and my E5200 @ 38C loaded.

Was hoping it would be like crunching, just set and forget- turns out there is a little more foot work, lol.

Thank you for the help guys.

Update- Let a 1888 run patiently and Fahmon updated accordingly. Its going to take an estimated 17 hours to complete!

BUCK NASTY · Aug 1, 2009, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonedub

Oh, I see. I was worried there was a problem. Is it normal for Fahmon's indicator to stay yellow much longer and show 0 PPD for those 1888s as well? Maybe I was not patient enough...

I'm a little nervous to get hit by the 511s if they cause as much heat as you guys say. My ambient temps are high during the day and the card gets to 68C already doing the 353s. At night the temps are much more manageable with the GPU @ 52C loaded and my E5200 @ 38C loaded.

Was hoping it would be like crunching, just set and forget- turns out there is a little more foot work, lol.

Thank you for the help guys.

Update- Let a 1888 run patiently and Fahmon updated accordingly. Its going to take an estimated 17 hours to complete!

17 hrs for the 9600GSO?

theonedub · Aug 1, 2009, 04:16 PM

Yes thats on the GSO @ stock clocks (c580/s1334/m500). Sounds like thats too long even for this card? What should I do?

stanhemi · Aug 1, 2009, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonedub

Yes thats on the GSO @ stock clocks (c580/s1334/m500). Sounds like thats too long even for this card? What should I do?

you can overclocked the shader.

Jul 10, 2009, 03:00 AM	#1
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Jul 10, 2009, 10:23 AM	#2
bogmali In Orbe Terrum Non Visi Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 6,039 (3.19/day) Thanks: 1,194 Thanked 4,109 Times in 2,080 Posts System Specs	Great idea Buck....... __________________ “I have pretty much own every card known to man. what should I use?” -W1zzard “I quit smoking pot a while ago.. but not today” -erocker HEATWARE My F/S Thread

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Jul 10, 2009, 11:22 AM	#3
mosheen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mauritius Posts: 322 (0.23/day) Thanks: 15 Thanked 55 Times in 44 Posts System Specs	Is there any client for a ati 9000/9200 or 8500 around?? my old laptop is on 24/7 for file sharing purposes and its got WCG client already. what can i do with the gpu?? __________________ - ---

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Jul 10, 2009, 05:35 PM	#4
msgclb Join Date: May 2008 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 1,709 (0.93/day) Thanks: 572 Thanked 4,284 Times in 1,071 Posts System Specs	I had my MSI K9A2 Platium running (2) galaxy GTS 250 cards using XP Pro 32-bit but I noticed these cards get hot. I tried a 120mm fan over the cards and that helped some. Something else that I've noticed is the GPU core clock throttles down while the screensaver is running. I had a better image but lost it when I used the PSU, hard drive and DVD from this rig on another machine. This project will have to wait for some cash to buy more parts. Any idea how I'm going to solve the above two problems when I get back to this project?

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Jul 10, 2009, 08:25 PM	#8
bogmali In Orbe Terrum Non Visi Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 6,039 (3.19/day) Thanks: 1,194 Thanked 4,109 Times in 2,080 Posts System Specs	I have 2 XFX GTS250's and I never had any heat issue. The most that I've seen mine was 83%. Did you turn the fans to at least 90%? __________________ “I have pretty much own every card known to man. what should I use?” -W1zzard “I quit smoking pot a while ago.. but not today” -erocker HEATWARE My F/S Thread

Jul 11, 2009, 12:31 AM	#11
BUCK NASTY F@H Mod & 4P Enthusiust Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL. U.S.A. Posts: 4,047 (1.91/day) Thanks: 3,378 Thanked 2,907 Times in 1,474 Posts System Specs	Experimenting with different cooling options for the Galaxy GTS 250... __________________ “I'll finally be able to drool over 8 gpu in one rig... And get sued by my wallet for violent physical damage...” -Feanor

Jul 13, 2009, 05:25 PM	#12
NastyHabits Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 983 (0.50/day) Thanks: 446 Thanked 570 Times in 322 Posts System Specs	A question for the folding gurus I've been bitten by the folding bug, and it's clear that NVIDIA trumps ATI in folding. (I can find no hard numbers, but I accept the verdict nonetheless.) I don't have a ton of cash, but would this be acceptable as a replacement for my 4850? Open Box Zotac 9800 GTX It's not the PC listed in my system specs, but a P35 with a E6750 @ 3.6 GHz. Thanks __________________ Rig 2: P-35, E6750 @ 3.6 GHz, Geil PC-8500, 4850, water Rig 3: P-45, E8400 @ 3.6 GHz, Corsair PC-6400, 2 X GTX 460, air Rig 4: Z77, i3-3225 @ 3.6 GHz, Gskill Ripjaws-X, HD7850, air

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Jul 13, 2009, 05:28 PM	#13
bogmali In Orbe Terrum Non Visi Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 6,039 (3.19/day) Thanks: 1,194 Thanked 4,109 Times in 2,080 Posts System Specs	It trumps the 4850 in folding by a wide margin, you're looking at 5.5K-6K PPD right there. __________________ “I have pretty much own every card known to man. what should I use?” -W1zzard “I quit smoking pot a while ago.. but not today” -erocker HEATWARE My F/S Thread

Jul 13, 2009, 05:32 PM	#14
NastyHabits Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 983 (0.50/day) Thanks: 446 Thanked 570 Times in 322 Posts System Specs	Drat! Someone already snagged it. But thanks for the quick reply __________________ Rig 2: P-35, E6750 @ 3.6 GHz, Geil PC-8500, 4850, water Rig 3: P-45, E8400 @ 3.6 GHz, Corsair PC-6400, 2 X GTX 460, air Rig 4: Z77, i3-3225 @ 3.6 GHz, Gskill Ripjaws-X, HD7850, air

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Jul 13, 2009, 11:55 PM	#18
BUCK NASTY F@H Mod & 4P Enthusiust Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL. U.S.A. Posts: 4,047 (1.91/day) Thanks: 3,378 Thanked 2,907 Times in 1,474 Posts System Specs	Anything smaller than 128sp is not worth purchasing going forward. 8800GS/9600GSO and 8800GT/9800GT get eaten alive by 511pt units and F@H work units will not get any easier. Gone are the days of 96sp cards pulling 5300 ppd all day long __________________ “I'll finally be able to drool over 8 gpu in one rig... And get sued by my wallet for violent physical damage...” -Feanor

Aug 1, 2009, 02:54 AM	#19
theonedub habe fidem Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Northern CA Posts: 6,607 (4.45/day) Thanks: 2,273 Thanked 3,190 Times in 1,925 Posts System Specs	How do I disable rec 1888 pointers? I got one and it sat for 40 mins to get to 2% and the entire time my GPU never increased in temp so it was not doing anything effectively. May as well tell me how to rid myself of 511s as well. Appreciate it. __________________ My Heatware Feedback 129+ Pristine

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Aug 1, 2009, 04:16 PM	#24
theonedub habe fidem Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Northern CA Posts: 6,607 (4.45/day) Thanks: 2,273 Thanked 3,190 Times in 1,925 Posts System Specs	Yes thats on the GSO @ stock clocks (c580/s1334/m500). Sounds like thats too long even for this card? What should I do? __________________ My Heatware Feedback 129+ Pristine

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