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  1. TIGR

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    I will happily and sincerely hand out Thanks to anyone who makes suggestions in this thread.

    I'm replacing the rig in my System Specs. Going back to Intel so I can take advantage of Matrix RAID, for one. It'll be running six 1.5TB drives in Matrix RAID 0/10, and a second onboard SATA controller for optical/temporary other drives would be nice but not necessary. The system will be used primarily for Folding@home, but when game time comes, I want to be able to run Quad SLI + PhysX. It's also for general multimedia, audio recording and editing (recording up to ten channels of audio through Alesis recording interface in System Specs, editing primarily with Adobe Audition), image and video editing, and general misc. computing. I would like to get a quad core but top priority is bang for the buck. 1366 would be nice for max performance. The system will be taxed, running up to 4 9800GX2s, though more likely 2 9800GX2s and 2 8800GTS 512s at first as I have three of my 9800GX2s in an Asus M4A79 Deluxe. If it can also handle running my surveillance system (8 480TVL CCTV cams through a 240fps PCI DVR card), then it will get that too (flexible PCI slot extender available).

    Budget for CPU + motherboard = $350. For a truly amazing deal (like a used Asus Supercomputer board for half price) budget can be extended up to $385. Looking for absolutely amazing deals, not something I'm likely going to find cheaper next week. Prefer to avoid mail-in rebates. I will consider (and probably will need to buy) open box/used. Private forum sales, Ebay, open box/returns, they're all fine as long as the hardware works. I don't need a CPU HSF or any motherboard accessories.

    Here's what I need:

    · 1156 or 1366 socket CPU and motherboard
    · Matrix RAID support (ICH10R provides it, as do some, but not all P55 boards)
    · Four (4) PCI Express x16 slots, spaced for double-slot coolers
    · SLI support

    I will be overclocking as much as possible without compromising rock solid stability with an S1283 heatsink. This system will not be in a case and will have a box fan cooling it as needed.

    So, what do you suggest, with all this in mind?

    1156
    This would be easiest to do on the 1156 platform, due to the availability of lower-priced CPUs. However, if I can get better performance per dollar out of 1366 and stay under $350, that'd be preferred.

    Here are all 1156 boards with P55 and 4+ PCI Express x16 slots at Newegg. Anyone know of others that meet the requirements? Any on this list that do not support SLI are disqualified. Some may not support Matrix RAID, but some that do not list Matrix RAID support do actually have it; that must be checked with the motherboard manufacturer.


    1366
    Here I'd have to go i7 920 (unless someone can find a Xeon W3520 cheaper). The best price I can find is $200 at Microcenter, which would be $214 after tax. That leaves $136 for a motherboard.

    Here are all 1366 boards with ICH10R and 4+ PCI Express x16 slots at Newegg. Anyone know of others that meet the requirements? Any on this list that do not support SLI are disqualified.

    Edit to add: NF200s are fine by me if needed.
     
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    EastCoasthandle New Member

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    The best bet in your case is a 1366 motherboard. 1156 motherboards aren't designed for CF/SLI at PCIe 16x do to the i7 800/700/600 design. 1156 socket is for those who care for only 1 video card more or less.
     
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    You will have a difficult time coming in under $350 or even $385 for a 1366 combo. The boards are simple just more expensive. Even if you find a decent usded board, you're still going to pay $150+ for it. A used i7 920 DO is still going to run you $200 or better, unless you get really lucky.

    For your budget, I'd get a nice 1156 board and get a used i5 750 chip. You can always upgrade to a 860 later.

    If you want to go 1366, I'd seriously suggest that you save your pennies, and at least get your budget up over $400 at least. I will tell you, except for the PCI-E lanes, performance is very similar across the board.

    Here's an idea:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188054
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

    That will almost bring you into your budget, and that's with new stuff.
     
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    Paulie, rather than devote more pennies to this, I'll probably just wait until prices come down or a great deal pops up. As a matter of principle, for my personal rigs I tend to wait until products fall into a segment of the price-to-performance curve I'll be able to justify looking back in a year or two. :laugh:
     
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    Please see my revised post above. :)

    It's funny when people look at price to performance with today's technology. It's already just off the chart. Hell, 4 years ago I paid $350 for an AMD Athlon 4000 Clawhammer, and I thought I was getting a good deal.:laugh:
     
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    Haha you did get a good deal four years ago. Thanks for the suggestions.

    Used CPUs and motherboards (unless they're DOA, and I wouldn't buy one without a guarantee against that at least), are for all intents and purposes, as good as new in my experience, so honestly I'd prefer to get something open/used (as long as it works) simply for the bang for the buck.
     
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    +1 on the 1366. you'll want the extra pcie lanes with that much hardware
     
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    I should have mentioned that I don't mind a couple NF200s if that's what it takes.
     
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    I agree with your perspective on used stuff, though I've had mostly negative experience with open box.

    I still don't get people worrying about 8x PCI-E lanes. There is almost no difference b/t the 2 in real world applications.
     
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    I've done well with open box motherboards, though not so much with video cards. Have you run into problems buying motherboards this way? Maybe I've just been lucky. :eek:

    I wonder just how much of a difference I'd notice in FAH and gaming between x8 and x16 if I packed it with four GX2s, and perhaps more importantly, with more powerful cards that might end up in the board down the line. Will have to do a bit of Googling....
     
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    ASUS P7H55-M PRO LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
    Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
    G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-2GBNQ
    Should put you in the ballpark. However, I am not sure if that motherboard offers ICH10R.
     
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    Thanks East, but I have 4GB of memory for whatever I get. That board has three too few PCI Express x16 slots, and does not support Matrix RAID to the best of my knowledge (doesn't come with H55).
     
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    rember tho tiger the newer setups require tri channel with low voltages like 1.5-1.65 and older DDR3 that is like 1.9v are not really suitable for these systems (learned that lesson on my own). so check your ram before you decide
     
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    Ask Buck Nasty about the FAH thing. I just sold him a 860/EVGA p55 FTW combo a couple of weeks ago. :)
     
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    Thanks Brandon, I have a set of these (G.SKILL Ripjaws 1600 @ 1.65v) which will work fine. I won't be able to utilize tri-channel until I add at least one more module, but they will work in the meantime.
     
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    i5 650 or 660 + evga p55 ftw or gb p55-ud4

    guaranteed 5ghz if you know how to OC.
     
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    I had a 275 on my EVGA P55 SLI @ x16 then added another 275 now both are at x8. No impact on PPD at all. Even a 4x slot would be enough for F@H.
     
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    Theonedub, did you notice any difference in gaming performance?
     
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    The only game I have played on my PC is Torchlight :laugh: there was nothing noticeable for what its worth.
     
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    Well I had to ask. Max FPS is very important to me in Chess Titans.
     
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    I'm thinking about a P7P55 WS Supercomputer as I was offered one for $125 shipped. That would be a decent, though not ideal platform, at a good price.
     
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    Yeah, I'd snag that board. If you don't, give me the lead and I'll grab it. :D

    By the way, i'm going to downgrade one of my Rigs to an i5 750. So, if you're looking for an i7 860, LMK.
     
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    1156 has no expansion in it, 1366 on the other hand does, also if you want save a little more cash up instead.
     
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    Will do Paulie. PM me a price on that 860 if you have a minute.

    Eidairaman, what do you mean by 1156 "has no expansion in it" compared to 1366?
     
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    rest assured 1366 will have a longer operating cycle over 1156, I mean they are already in the works with Dual CPU 1366 Motherboards. What I meant by Expansion is Scalability, 1156 seems to be a dead end and will be replaced very quickly.
     
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