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18W AMD Fusion Beats Intel Core i5 at Graphics Performance

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Sep 14, 2010.

  1. wiak

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    the funny thing is, the driver dont support the game you wanna play, no matter how you "can" overclock it hehe
     
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    Don't see any fanboys besides yourself from what i have seen in the past.(being a huge AMD/ATI guy)

    Let just wait till everything is out, i don't care about any company... they don't pay me, so i don't give a shit.

    If Intel does come out with something that performs better for a higher cost, well then it's ones decision to jump in on that extra performance if they'd like. We don't have an indication of Sandy Bridges price, but if it is a bit more expensive and the performance is well justified for that price, then that in itself should be something to be happy and proud about. Cause in the end, the consumers win.
     
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    Well because this isn't released yet I can't confirm it, but I highly doubt that is possible in a chip that uses only 18W. It really doesn't seem possible at all. You have to consider this thing has a CPU, PCI-e bus, memory controller and a GPU on par with a 5570? That seems more like a 50W chip to be honest (if it's 32nm then maybe 30W). The CPU would have to be tiny to let the GPU have that much performance.

    Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm just saying they are comparing their next generation to Intels current generation. Kind of redundant when you consider Intels next generation is coming out too. I still reckon even if the GPU is good, the CPU part of it wouldn't match the i3/i5s they compare it to.

    Fanboi? Look at my system specs. I use an AMD GPU. If I was a fanboi, I'd be using NVIDIA. What they are showing here isn't the full CPU, rather the GPU functions of this APU (that name makes no sense to me). This is more ATIs work here they are showing off. Fanboi? No. I have huge respect for ATI, but have low respect for AMD. They have taken about 5 years now to produce Fusion, and I am expecting from that much work that it would be epic. Let's just hope the desktop chip is.
     
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    AMD has that all ready covered by a Fusion part with HD 5670 level graphics performance
    that part is called Llano, inte's sandy brige only has HD 5450 performance

    Llano is said to have four Phenom II based cores with Radeon HD 5670 level graphics peformace

    Bulldozer is amd's next generation high performance desktop and server chip without any onchip video, its much like Opteron and Phenom II now a days
     
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    Well I actually don't care, who builds it all I want is a decent performing gaming netbook light, with 4 hours of heavy use, under 500 dollars and makes me a expresso(vanilla flavored), if VIA can do that then i'm sold for it.:toast:
     
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    The main thing to be acknowledged is that in the high end parts, people won't be needing onboard graphics. They will be wanting a proper graphics card, and Intel are acknowledging that.
     
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    Generally, mobile devices needs efficient power not absolute power. If bobcat can crunch stuff more efficiently, then it is already a winner. I've been using a trusty core2 Duo for 3 yrs now and newer software does not require more CPU power. so I doubt very much that an inferior CPU from AMD will deny sales.

    I really look forward to see this APU as this will bring 3D MMO gaming onto notebooks powered by batteries. At the moment, it is not possible to 3D game with integrated graphics on notebook and dedicated graphics consumes too much power so you can't game on a notebook easily with battery. AMD's APU is gonna change all that!
     
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    Amen, brother let's hope it does:toast:
     
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    well I going to buy some more stock from amd ....
     
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    But in fact, the most profitable part of this business is the low-mid market and we all know it. Almost no one (besides us hardware enthusiasts) would buy a high end gpu nowadays if you compare to all the low end gpus are sold (remember, intel is the manufacturer who lead the gpu market, you can find an intel integrated gpu in almost every low end notebook and low end motherboard)

    Maybe us want proper gpus, but from all computer users in the world, we are a minority. Intel doesn't need to make powerful gpus, they would loose money investing money in that.

    Intel is also lead in notebook platforms. If amd wants to compete with intel there, they can't go against intel with cpu performance because they will surely loose, so they have to strike in intel's weak point: 3d performance. If amd offers a capable low power cpu with a good integrated gpu, all with affordable price it would be better than only offering cpu muscle and low power consuption because intel would own that quite easily.
     
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    I've been contemplating buying a Core i3 laptop w/ an HD 5450 for college next year but haven't really made up my mind. This gives me a genuine reason to wait, if they can give me that kind of performance while both costing less and consuming less power, they have an absolute winner for whatever part of the consumer base I represent.
     
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    Just wanted to say GO RED AND GREEN!!!
     
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    We are seeing the first big results of ATi adquisition by AMD. Both teams working as one, mixing knowledge and interesting ideas, bringing to real life the fusion philosophy not only in high-end machines but entry-level ones as well. I'm anxious to see what Bulldozer will deliver :rolleyes:
     
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    "Fusion beats Intel Core i5 ..." OMG WTF? "... in graphics performance" :shadedshu

    Did it get anyone else?

    Its actually quite disappointing to compare Fusion against i5, I would prefer it to be compared to a low end graphics card, like the 5570.
     
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    Well you know they say (in art), green and red compliment each other, lol.:cool:
     
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    I didn't get me as such, but you do have a point. I want real bences soon. :(
     
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    Yet, Intel is the one who has a slow-ass GPU across the board in all their Sandy Bridge chips including high performance desktop parts, whereas AMD only put a slow-ass GPU in ultra portables and notebooks (= Bobcat with 80SP Cedar'ish core) and a mid-end GPU actually capable of 3D in performance laptops and lower-end desktop chips (= Llano with 400SP Redwood'ish core).
     
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    I think this is finally the sweetspot in all my years working with computers that something very cheap, very small, and very low power consuming as this FUSION cpu/gpu combo is all you need for a modern computer/laptop/netbook without feeling underpowered.

    When you have a customer that only uses his computer for webbrowsing, word, youtube, email, listening to music i dont see why this FUSION wouldnt be perfect for him.
    There was ATOM for a while but i found it not being snappy enough, also not being able to play 720p content was a downer.
    Fusion being dual core, higher clocked, having DX11 compatible GPU even when you dont play games even though it could handle WOW, that is a big plus cause of all the GPU accelleration today.

    our mainboards with quadcores, crossfire, 8GB ram, SSD arent going anywhere as there will always be gamers/music makers/designers etc that need more.
    But i dont see why i would pick a AMD 3.0ghz dualcore on a 785g mainboard while low in power consumption compared to gaming rigs would be needed for most consumers when FUSION is the option, i see many gouvernments and companies buying those FUSION ITX computers in bulk to save money on the purchase and power consumption while it has all the performance needed for its tasks.
     
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    Okay, people really aren't understanding what I'm saying are they. I said:

    What I meant is that in a high end CPU, obviously you won't be buying it if you're short on cash. When is the last time you heard someone say 'Hmm I don't want to spend much on my computer so I'll only get a Core i7 975'? You don't. If you have that much money to throw around, you will have the money to buy a graphics card. I have no idea where you guys have got it in your head that if you have a high end CPU, you need a GPU in it as well. You will be running a discrete solution because that is the best way to go: leave the CPU to do CPU stuff and the GPU to do GPU stuff, not the CPU does CPU and GPU stuff and the GPU does a little bit too.

    I wouldn't but a high end Fusion chip based on the size of the GPU because I'll be pairing it with the biggest, best GPU, from Intel or AMD. Having a GPU inside the CPU is just a waste of silicon which could have been used for adding more cores or more cache or a bigger memory controller or something. I don't need that GPU there.

    Now sure I'd say they will do some kind of Hybrid Crossfire thing, but what if you have a NVIDIA card? What then? You'll get NVIDIAs drivers up your bum telling you that you have an ATI chip in there and PhysX won't work (without the patch which only works 2% of the time), and as for if you get a Radeon, even with 400SPs on the CPU, I can bet when they go to 32nm or less they will be over 2000SP, more likely 2400SPs. Or what if you are already running Crossfire 2x or 3x or 4x. That's like 4000+ SPs. The extra 400SPs is going to provide a small boost if anything. It certainly won't be as significant as just normal Crossfire.

    The Fusion idea is a good idea in theory for low end machines to save power but I can't see it being a brilliant idea for top end machines.
     
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    You do know that Nvidia has been bashing Intel more often than bashing ATi/AMD?
     
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    Agree with newtekie1 all those infomercials and QVC/HSN gaming indy car videos show that intels graphics are good at video and about it. Not too spectacular but at least they are beating Intel in something, lol.
     
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    Anyone else thing of the i740 days with all this talk Intel is doing now about graphics?

    When did Fusion become a processor? Fusion is any AMD cpu + gpu on the same die so it covers everything from Bobcat to Lllano and eventually to Llano 2 (Bulldozer with gpu).

    Bobcat is Netbook/Ultra Portable or less than $500 notebook territory. Even though they are comparing it to i5 mobile, this is going to be in the same pricing portfolio as Atom.....yes Atom that cpu from Intel that makes everyone hate their netbook that has ever had one (not really but you get the point). Things Atom can't do without Ion or something else and even then doesn't make you really want it: Anything flash based. While the 99% of buyers are not going to be playing Steam games on these (or any kind of 3D game for that matter) they will do that thing this kind of setup was meant to do, cruise the Internet. How much does flash account for videos, browser games, college free time games, etc?

    Like I said in another thread: Bobcat is going to make the Atom look like a P3. Intel is about to get pwn with a capital P. I've got AMD's marketing gold: "Want to play farmville as a game and not a slide show? Got 300-500 bucks? Come play! :rockout:

    Llano is what will take on the i5 mainstream your talking about though and your right, 4 cores and 5570 performance is what is expected.
     
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    love to see this kind of innovation.
     
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    Actually, I know at least 5 people with AMD laptops from years ago who have and still play MMO's on their laptops. The IGP 3200 made that possible a long time ago (upon its release it was 3 times more power than the most powerful IGP on the market. First IGP to break 4 digit score in 3DMark as well), so you have already been missing out. Then Intel and AMD both 1up'ed each other 2 or 3 more times to produce the current gen of IGP that will play most MMO's will little issue and WOW at medium with shadows on low @ 30 FPS in the worst area. I have seen it for myself.

    These chips will save mobo space on laptops, allowing that to be used to increase RAM slots, HDD size, more powerful Wireless chipsets, better ventilation, and all while lower power needed to play those games.
     

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