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This is my first time building a PC. I have a parts list put together and I was hoping that I could get some opinions and feedback from people that are a lot more experienced than I am. Everything is from newegg.

Usage will include of course everyday use and in addition to that I am looking to get into PC gaming. Below are all the components with their newegg part numbers. Some specific questions that I had are: Is the power supply overkill? I believe I will need some sort of adapter case to mount the SSD? I'm pretty certain that everything is compatible but in case I missed something please let me know if there are any glaring issues.

Any opinions or feedback is greatly appreciated!

Case - Cooler Master HAF 922 - High Air Flow Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and All-Black Interior
Item #:N82E16811119197

CPU -
Intel Core i5-3570 Ivy Bridge Quad-Core 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 77W Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637i53570
Item #:N82E16819115233

Motherboard - ASUS P8Z77-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813131820

Graphics Card - EVGA 02G-P4-3063-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card w/ ACX Cooler
Item #:N82E16814130967

Memory - CORSAIR Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model CMY8GX3M2A1866C9B (Blue)
Item #:N82E16820233529

Hard Drive - WD BLACK SERIES WD1003FZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Item #:N82E16822236625

SSD - SanDisk Extreme II SDSSDXP-120G-G25 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #:N82E16820171751

CD/DVD Burner - ASUS DVD-Writer Black SATA Model DRW-24F1ST - OEM
Item #:N82E16827135305

Moniter - Acer H6 Series H226HQLbid Black 21.5" 5ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LED Backlit LCD Monitor, IPS Panel
Item #:N82E16824009484

PSU - Rosewill Xtreme Series RX850-S-B 850W Continuous @40°C ,80 PLUS Certified, ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91, SLI Ready CrossFire

Item #:N82E16817182072
 

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There are much better psu's for better prices than the one you picked. Here are a couple of Gold rated Seasonics that are worth a look:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119&ignorebbr=1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151137&ignorebbr=1

The case is nice but you really don't need the air flow of a HAF case for those components. If you like then go for it.

A cpu cooler should be considered also... what kind of room do you have in your budget?

I'll have to take a look at those PSU suggestions. In terms of watts though is 850 overkill? A co-worker recommended it. I wasn't entirely sure. My graphics card and processor alone are 527 watts and then you have to add on the power requirements for all the other components correct?

I chose the case with possible future upgrades in mind. Unless I'm mistaken a case should last a very long time? Plus I do like how it looks and the fact that it comes with two 200mm fans and the option to install a third in addition to fans on the bottom of the case. With these options I think I would be able to handle any increase in heat load down the road.

Money is not too much of an issue within reason. I don't actually have a hard number budget. Is the CPU fan that comes with the processor inadequate? I thought it would be fine combined with the HAF case.
 
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You are out of date,

Get an i5 4690k and a GTX 760 instead of a i5 3570k and a GTX 660.

4690k + 760 would run well on a 600 watt 80+ bronze or better power supply. I recommend seasonic. Stock CPU fan will be fine if you leave the processor at stock speeds. HAF case is a good case, very versatile. Good alternative to stock CPU fan is a Coolermaster 212.
 

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You are out of date,

Get an i5 4690k and a GTX 760 instead of a i5 3570k and a GTX 660.

4690k + 760 would run well on a 600 watt 80+ bronze or better power supply. I recommend seasonic. Stock CPU fan will be fine if you leave the processor at stock speeds. HAF case is a good case, very versatile. Good alternative to stock CPU fan is a Coolermaster 212.

I'm not planning on overclocking which is why I chose the i5 3570 over 3570k (the k means it supports overclocking correct?). However, I will look into the 4690 as well as the graphics card and psu you suggested. But yeah that's exactly why I like the HAF case. Thanks for the input.
 
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I'm not planning on overclocking which is why I chose the i5 3570 over 3570k (the k means it supports overclocking correct?). However, I will look into the 4690 as well as the graphics card and psu you suggested. But yeah that's exactly why I like the HAF case. Thanks for the input.

Hello,

What is your budget? I'm sure members of the TPU community would be able to change around your build so that it is perhaps better suited for your needs. What genre of games are you hoping to play? What resolution would you hope to be playing at? Does size of the case matter to you? (The HAF is larger than one may think).

Maybe we could find that the build for your needs could be built for less than your budget.

Layton
 
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You should probably get haswell over ivy bridge since that's the standard for new builds now.

Z series boards are overclockable. K series CPUs are overclockable.
If youre gonna go for a Z series board, you should probably get a K series CPU to go with it. Or get a cheaper board.

As for power usage, i5 + 660gtx is probably like 300W for the entire system. A good 450W PSU can power that easy.
 
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I can live with 60GB SSD. Of course if games go to SSD bigger is better. for the price I would say 256GB is reasonable
no need for 800+ power supply. 650 can handle some sli or crossfire and OC.
 

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Hello,

What is your budget? I'm sure members of the TPU community would be able to change around your build so that it is perhaps better suited for your needs. What genre of games are you hoping to play? What resolution would you hope to be playing at? Does size of the case matter to you? (The HAF is larger than one may think).

Maybe we could find that the build for your needs could be built for less than your budget.

Layton

I don't really have a hard budget. Maybe around like1400. Honestly I'm just trying to get the best bang for my buck. I'm looking to play RPGs and FPS. Maybe RTS if there is a good one. I was never too into PC gaming and just looking to get into it so anything really, whatever I happen to like. I know that's absolutely no help sorry. But I'm looking to run at 1080p. As for the case I think I'm happy with the case I chose. Size isn't too important. As long as it fits ecerything and has good airflow.
 
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I can live with 60GB SSD. Of course if games go to SSD bigger is better. for the price I would say 256GB is reasonable.

How do you manage with only 60GB? Once you install the OS and 1 game on it, its completely full.
 

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As has already been said you can save a little money on the mobo if you're not going to overclock. I have that mobo and it's a good one imo. I always leave myself the option to overclock or SLI when I do a new build. You never know with gaming how demanding it may get before you're ready for a new build. If you're certain that you will never SLI that GTX 660 then the first link for a PSU Norton suggested is very good. If you think you might SLI on down the road then his second link is a very good choice. One other thing that you might want to consider. If you game a lot and keep a lot of games on your HDD then you might want to consider a 2 TB HDD. Games are going all the way up to requiring 50 GB of storage these days. That's an extreme right now but in a few years who knows.
 
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How do you manage with only 60GB? Once you install the OS and 1 game on it, its completely full.

I have 5-6 older games few GB each 1-2 newer like 5-7GB. cant play AAA on my dated system atm.
 

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You should probably get haswell over ivy bridge since that's the standard for new builds now.

Z series boards are overclockable. K series CPUs are overclockable.
If youre gonna go for a Z series board, you should probably get a K series CPU to go with it. Or get a cheaper board.

As for power usage, i5 + 660gtx is probably like 300W for the entire system. A good 450W PSU can power that easy.

How could it be 300W for entire system? On the specs for my graphics card it says 450W and my processor says 77W. Then add on all the other components.

I'm gonna have to look back into CPU and motherboards. I know I don't want to overclock though. What series boards don't support it? I'd like to go with ASUS boards.
 
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The SSD is for my OS. I will have a regular 1TB drive for everything else.

You're supposed to have the OS, main applications (Microsoft Office, Photoshop etc.) and your games on the SSD too.

The point of the SSD in the gaming rig is so the maps load quicker, and you get less in game stutter due to HDD dependencies. i.e. ever run an intensive game and your antivirus starts running?! The frame rate dips for about 2hrs until its finished!

The 1TB HDD is supposed to be for your important irreplaceable files, family photos, school work, movies etc. - things that you don't access all the time or things that are not heavily read/write or latency dependant.

If your budget is £1400 or $1400 why would you settle for 120GB?

I have 5-6 older games few GB each 1-2 newer like 5-7GB. cant play AAA on my dated system atm.

The days of games using that little space is gone. Max Payne 3 - 35GB, BF4 - 30+GB, Guild Wars 2 - 25GB.


Edit: Looking at your traditional 1TB HDD you've got in the basket. I've seen a few 2.5TB for the same price.
 
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I don't really have a hard budget. Maybe around like1400. Honestly I'm just trying to get the best bang for my buck. I'm looking to play RPGs and FPS. Maybe RTS if there is a good one. I was never too into PC gaming and just looking to get into it so anything really, whatever I happen to like. I know that's absolutely no help sorry. But I'm looking to run at 1080p. As for the case I think I'm happy with the case I chose. Size isn't too important. As long as it fits ecerything and has good airflow.

Here is a potential build, all prices from Newegg:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/w7nxRB

I'm not a fan of the HAF cases because their aesthetic style is not my style. I would prefer an NZXT H440.

EDIT: Also, this build has a 256GB SSD, which should provide ample room for your games and applications as well as OS.

Layton
 

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You're supposed to have the OS, main applications (Microsoft Office, Photoshop etc.) and your games on the SSD too.

The point of the SSD in the gaming rig is to the maps load quicker, and l you get less in game stutter due to HDD dependencies. i.e. ever run an intensive game and your antivirus starts running?!

The 1TB HDD is supposed to be for your important irreplaceable files, family photos, school work, movies etc. - things that you don't access all the time or things that are not heavily read/write or latency dependant.

If your budget is £1400 or $1400 why would you settle for 120GB?



The days of games using that little space is gone. Max Payne 3 - 35GB, BF4 - 30+GB, Guild Wars 2 - 25GB.

Everything I've heard and read says that the CPU and more so the graphics card are the real workhorses when it comes to gaming unless I've been misled. I've never had the anti virus thing happen. You can schedule when it runs.

$1400, I'm at like ~$1150 now and judging by feedback it looks like I'm gonna be switching to a newer processor and mobo which means more $$$.
 

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There is no reason for him to "supposed to" have his games on his SSD. That's a personal preference and complete luxury. And the last time my antivirus ran and slowed down my computer while I was gaming I was on a Northwood. Just saying.

@Blueshift0912: The 120GB size for your SSD is fine, and more than enough room for your OS, just make sure to move the location of your libraries to the HDD. May I suggest, as you have funds that you also get an additional HDD, so you can keep all your valuable data on on and devote the other to Games? To have enough SSD for all of your games may at this time be prohibitively expensive if you've got a large collection.
 
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Everything I've heard and read says that the CPU and more so the graphics card are the real workhorses when it comes to gaming unless I've been misled. I've never had the anti virus thing happen. You can schedule when it runs.

$1400, I'm at like ~$1150 now and judging by feedback it looks like I'm gonna be switching to a newer processor and mobo which means more $$$.

No you haven't been mislead, the CPU and GPU are the most important thing for performance. But if you're opting for an SSD get one which is equipped to storage a reasonable amount of games. If you are not storing games on it why bother with the SSD in the first place?

The 120GB SSD isn't even good deal considering a mere $60 more can get you 4x the capacity.
(edit £88 vs. £147. UK price, not sure what region you're in)

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There is no reason for him to "supposed to" have his games on his SSD. That's a personal preference and complete luxury. And the last time my antivirus ran and slowed down my computer while I was gaming I was on a Northwood. Just saying..

The antivirus was just an example. You can put whatever you want on an SSD, but if its a gaming rig wouldn't it make sense to put games on it?

Edit

This is why you want the games on the SSD.
 
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How could it be 300W for entire system? On the specs for my graphics card it says 450W and my processor says 77W. Then add on all the other components.

I'm gonna have to look back into CPU and motherboards. I know I don't want to overclock though. What series boards don't support it? I'd like to go with ASUS boards.

You are dreadfully misinformed regarding power usage. You can run an entire system (at stock) on 550W PSU or less. Your processor is ~77W, and the average high end GPU (a GTX 780 for example), actually uses around 230W maximum during Furmark (a completely over the top test). It's worth mentioning there's a fellow on here who ran a processor and a GTX 690 all on a single 550W PSU at stock.

The entire computing retail sector have this strange obsession with horrendously over estimating power requirements.

You can use this to calculate the ACTUAL power usage of your desired system
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

but if its a gaming rig wouldn't it make sense to put games on it?

No, it wouldn't. The primary use of any SSD I've ever used in both gaming and work machines, is to improve boot times on power, and to drastically improve software load times. I've only ever put a couple of games on my 256GB SSD, and I don't see anything besides a second saving here or there when loading levels. In multiplayer games, SSD's are worthless. It doens't matter if you load in 5 seconds flat. If you're playing a game with somebody who takes 20 seconds, you're still going to have to wait for 20 seconds anyway. You'll have gained nothing.
 

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How could it be 300W for entire system? On the specs for my graphics card it says 450W and my processor says 77W. Then add on all the other components.

I'm gonna have to look back into CPU and motherboards. I know I don't want to overclock though. What series boards don't support it? I'd like to go with ASUS boards.

When it says requires a 450 watt PSU under that card it means 450 watts for the entire computer not just for the card.
 

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@Dent1: Nice comparison video. I have however, never seen my HDD game drives take that long to load in anything (maybe in Mass Effect where you ride the elevator for 5 minutes, LOL), so I am not convinced of the cost effectiveness with many hundreds of GB of games on an SSD. Besides, having a life besides gaming, it is not such an all-consuming part of my life that 5 quicker seconds to load a GAME is really that important.

Nor am I convinced that it is right for the OP either, who is on a limited budget that is getting close to the limit, as he has stated several times. I'm trying to give OP advice based on HIS realities.
 
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RCoon and 64k is correct about the power consumption thing. Don't be fooled into more wattage is best or required. Look for a good quality PSU that's the best deal. Something like 850W is more applicable to running a very high end card in 3-Way SLI.

RCoon I agree for some multiplayers game it doesn't matter as the server makes everyone join before it starts. But on some games you can literally like 3-5 people in a team death match before everyone loads.

I've don't have a SSD personally, I don't even think its needed for gaming necessarily, I've done without. But If you are opting for one why limit yourself on capacity for the sake of $60 ish.

Nor am I convinced that it is right for the OP either, who is on a limited budget that is getting close to the limit, as he has stated several times. I'm trying to give OP advice based on HIS realities.

Fair enough, then you should be convincing him not to get a SSD period.

If you've got $1150 to play with and $60 upgrade stops it. Then you can't afford an SSD. Period.

And that's OK. I don't have an SSD and I'm happy with that. Just don't want the OP to buy a smaller capacity 120GB one then complain that its full because he couldn't budget $60 or so.
 

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You are dreadfully misinformed regarding power usage. You can run an entire system (at stock) on 550W PSU or less. Your processor is ~77W, and the average high end GPU (a GTX 780 for example), actually uses around 230W maximum during Furmark (a completely over the top test). It's worth mentioning there's a fellow on here who ran a processor and a GTX 690 all on a single 550W PSU at stock.

The entire computing retail sector have this strange obsession with horrendously over estimating power requirements.

You can use this to calculate the ACTUAL power usage of your desired system
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp



No, it wouldn't. The primary use of any SSD I've ever used in both gaming and work machines, is to improve boot times on power, and to drastically improve software load times. I've only ever put a couple of games on my 256GB SSD, and I don't see anything besides a second saving here or there when loading levels. In multiplayer games, SSD's are worthless. It doens't matter if you load in 5 seconds flat. If you're playing a game with somebody who takes 20 seconds, you're still going to have to wait for 20 seconds anyway. You'll have gained nothing.

Looks like I don't know shit about PSU's haha. And that's the exact reason I got the solid state.
 
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