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$2,999 Price of GeForce GTX TITAN-Z Not Justifiable: Review

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  1. btarunr

    btarunr Editor & Senior Moderator Staff Member

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    Here's why NVIDIA still hasn't launched the GeForce GTX TITAN-Z at the $2,999 price-point it so boldly announced at GTC 2014 - it's not worth its price by a long shot, at least not when stacked up against the Radeon R9 295X2, according to a review published by Hong Kong based print magazine E-Zone. In most tests, the two are evenly matched, with the R9 295X2 even outperforming it by a significant margin in some. In tests where the GTX TITAN-Z leads the R9 295X2, the lead isn't significant, at least nowhere close to justifying its price. The only way NVIDIA can sell the GTX TITAN-Z, if these numbers hold true, is by delivering on its 375W TDP figure.

    The review finds that a system running a single GTX TITAN-Z draws 33W less power than the same system running two GTX 780 Ti cards in SLI, and 60W less power than the same system running a single R9 295X2 (tested at FireStrike Extreme load). Unless you plan on future-proofing yourself for the next decade, the lower power draw doesn't justify the $1,500 higher price. So what explains the delay in launching the GTX TITAN-Z? Either a redesign with higher clocks (and proportionately higher power draw), or development of faster drivers.

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    Source: LinusTechTips Community
     
  2. jigar2speed

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    Saves them the embarrassment - Bad product should always be called bad product, but in Nvidia's case TITAN - Z was suffering from bad pricing.
     
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    I feel like this was pretty much known.
     
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    Not only that.

    Titan Z
    706 / 876 / 1058

    780 Ti
    875 / 928 / 1019

    39mhz boost more and still coming up short in every comparison.
     
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    It's very important that this fails. They said the Titan was an experiment in price points, and unfortunately it sold well. Now they're trying to see just how far they can push it, which in this case is way too far for that performance.
     
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    Only suckers paid 1K Euros for 1 card, when a 300 Eu cheaper and faster card was released just a couple of months after...
     
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    If you'd bothered to read the source material in the link provided:
    Only by everyone. Won't stop a bunch of people restating the obvious....this is the internet after all
    If the mark of a sucker is overpaying for performance then I'd suggest paying three times the price of a 290X for the 295X2 falls into the same category
     
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    just for info, with that price i dont think many people would consider to put it in their list
     
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    Indeed, its pretty bad when the comparisons cannot even put it close to justification.

    It needs a complete overhaul, its not going to do well with just a clock boost in all honesty unless the cooler can keep up under load.
     
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    What a surprise!:eek:

    Not! :p

    I could've told you that a month ago... Oh wait, I already did:

    AMD Radeon R9 295 X2 8192 MB

    :slap:
     
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    What did people expect? Magical performance boost? It's just two Titans on one PCB, there's nothing interesting about it except for the fact the double precision performance is not crippled.
     
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    A couple months later? Pray tell me what card came out a few months after February of 2013? Nothing. The 780 came out in May and didn't outperform the Titan, and the 290/290x didn't come until October (8 months later). It was basically king of the hill for 8 months before anything challenged it.
     
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    Yup! Certain people don't understand this joke didn't make sense a year ago, and still doesn't make sense today, it was not until 290X was released in November 2013 that any stock card could beat Titan, let alone when heavily OCd and water cooled! :rockout:

    Granted 290X was almost half the price for all of 48hrs after its release, I'm glad I got my 290Xs at lower than retail value while some dumb suckers were caught paying north of $699 or $799 for them :p

    Anyway, at $2999 Nvidia shot itself in the foot, I hope this knocks them back to their senses and the card is priced more reasonably or they invest on a better cooling solution...
     
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    Still waiting to see the final version. Theoretically 2 full GK110 cores (with adequate power and cooling) would outperform a 295x2.
     
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    I wish I could share your optimism, but it's not gonna happen, not unless Nvidia puts a closed loop water cooler on Titan-Z like AMD did with 295X...

    I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, there's just certain laws of thermodynamics that cannot be easily broken :p
     
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    The price tag is to much they reconsider their price it they want it to sell, but maybe nvidia will fine tune the deivers and increase its performance...
     
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    Will be relaunched as the GTX TITANIC ....
     
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    What will also be interesting to see is the Titan Z power draw and temps.
     
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    Because no one actually bothered to challenge it? It was priced at 1k and R290X is what, half that price?
     
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    For whatever happened to Titan Z development, I wish only for the good and positive outcome especially the release of Maxwell. Here's hoping the delay of Titan Z = faster, focused work on Maxwell. :toast:
     
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    No, many people sick of broken AMD crossfire drivers ditched dual 7970's and went with the fastest single gpu available. I'd class myself as a sucker for having bought 2 top line AMD cards that didn't properly work on many games at that time. The fact AMD have publicly stated the issue has been resolved for DX10/11 (and a very good job they have done, especially with Hawaii) shows it WAS an issue. So, no, Titan was not a Sucker's card. It brought me smooth, perfect game play which my AMD solution did not.

    However, Nvidia lost the plot with Titan Z. They absolutely deserve scorn for such a terribly arrogant attempt at price manipulation. Not saying it's not a free market but the fact AMD have a far better option at half the price puts Nvidia to shame. The compute argument is also pretty lame. Hardware enabled but software crippled, Titan is not a bona fide compute card - it isn't complete in that sense. I'm sure it's missing ECC and other things.

    They need to swallow their pride and knock it down to a dual Titan price point.
     
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    I don't get how some people defend this incredibly ultra hyper overpriced bs.
    Not that i would buy a R9 295X2 either, but this card is just an even greater insult to one's intelligence...
    I would buy a couple of R9 290/GTX 780 instead (in the remote case i wanted to have a crossfire/sli config.)
     
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    I'm sticking to a high end single GPU philosophy. Never had any problems worth mentioning.
     
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    I find it sad and funny that NVidia has to re-think their dual Titan card release due to the fact that AMD's dual card offer came out first and their price to performance ratio versus what NVidia was thinking to price their card at makes them look greedy if nothing else. Their initial pricing of this card was absurd even after whatever success they realized from a highly priced Titan.
     
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    I agree that the 295X2 is overpriced. At this point in time I think the 290X and 290 should be $400 and $300 respectably. I blame the current market though on nVidia (Or their customers. Take your choice.). $1000 Titan, $700 780 non ti (when it was first released), $3000 Titan-Z, ... Hawaii forced them to adjust their prices, but not enough. I don't think the mining craze helped us any either not allowing for the natural degrading of prices.

    Maybe it'll settle down a bit soon?

    Imagine the price on that one though!!! :D
     
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