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  1. reppel

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    I'm buying a new pc in a month, gonna try to take advantage of boxing day sales and gotta buy before new year for taxes reasons :)


    CPU/BOARD
    - 4770k / Asus Z87 Pro (I need wireless, is this the better choice without going too high on the price of the board and buying a wireless card? I'm also overclocking) / (Is it worth spending extra 400$ for a 4930k and a x79 board?)

    GRAPHICS CARD
    - gtx770 4GB or gtx780 or amd 290
    I was thinking going SLI/crossfire in a year or so with a new one.

    MEMORY
    - TridentZ/RipjawsZ 2133mhz CL9 32GB
    they seem to have a great price/performance ratio, but is it worth it or should i go for something simple like crucial ballistix sport 1600mhz?

    WINDOWS DISK
    - Samsung Pro 256GB
    Or EVO? 500GB costs quite a bit, maybe not worth it.

    OTHER DISKS
    - Was thinking of buying 3 extra disks, 3 x Seagate 7200.14 3GB. 2 in RAID 0 for extra speed of scratch files, previews, page files, downloads, mostly stuff i don't mind losing in case of disk fail. The other one would be a project disk. These disks are very cheap right now, but is it worth it going for the high prices of caviar blacks or something like that? Or any other recommendations?

    PSU
    - Corsair RM1000 or Cooler Master V1000?
    Do I even need 1000W considering the 4 hard drives, overclocking and the extra graphics card i will get later on? Do you have better recomendations?

    COOLER
    - Noctua D14 (I have no problem going for water but I've been seeing so many comparisons where the noctua performs very similar, sometimes better, and it doesn't sound thaaaat much. You guys have different experiences?)

    Case, keyboard, mouse, dvd drive and monitor aren't needed, I already got them.
     
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    3930K
    600w psu
    Noctua U14S (check ram compatibility), or AIO for peace of mind
    1866Mhz RAM, I don't think x79 is responsive to ram
    Graphics card of choice, if crossfire AMD.
    256Gb, no need Pro. Consider others like M500 etc.

    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2bGkl
     
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  3. TRWOV

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    For that money, why don't you go Ivy Bridge-E instead? 6 cores, 12 threads.

    RAM and everything else is fine but, again, for that budget you should really aim for the moon. Specially considering that you already have a case and pheriperials.
     
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    I have the 4770K and Asus z87 Pro...the combo is amazing, fast, smooth, low power usage when not loading...and I'm extremely happy with the overall package. The Wifi is great...I have a very good Rosewill USB Wifi with antenna that was the best one I'd ever experienced out of the almost dozen I've owned or sold over the years...and this one beats it handily. Plus the antenna is magnetic so I stuck it to the side of my case. I don't use the Bluetooth option, but it's ready if you wanna.. I hit 4.5Ghz at 1.24v, I run a Noctua U14S single fan and it keeps my chip nice and cool. I'm running G.Skill Sniper 2133 and it's solid.

    I don't edit videos, but I game and do some vid conversions, and all sorts of multitasking...I must say I'm very very happy with the results. I do recommend you check out the Haswell Club thread here on TPU and consider buying the $25 Intel Performance Plan no matter what K-series chip you purchase.

    I can vouch for the U14S, 4770K, Z87Pro and G.Skill 2133 as a very solid combo package that runs great and I can highly recommend it. Solid Bios, plenty of features, board runs super cool, cooler is quiet and very effective and really doesn't gain much from a second fan but is considered to be a replacement for the D14 in some review comparisons. I also love my GTX770...at the time it was a good value...but that was 6 months ago. I'm still content with it, especially with the 450W Windforce cooler...mine turbos to 1228 core and stays there...loads max around 70C right now.

    Sure an X79 and 3930K would give you more power, and maybe that's worth it for ya. Maybe not. I can vouch for the route you were originally looking at as a very solid choice though! :toast:
     
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    Thanx guys. Right now it's around 2500$ with the 770 and fast memory. If I go for ivy, I gotta drop 400$ or just take the loss. Is fast memory worth it performancewise?
     
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    ok, what currency are we talking here? and where do you live? Because the stuff you listed would get to 2000 dollars tops.

    EDIT: Nevermind, skipped over the motherboard.
     
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    i7 4930k 500$(Ivy Bridge-EXTREME, latest premium gen of cpu) - thats essential for working, 150% performance vs 4770k in multimedia, and better then 4770k in gaming... a specially if you wanna go sli its your choice( 2x pcie 30 x16 in a same time) 4770k is x16 x8 or x8 x8 only.
    Asus P9X79 PRO mobo 300$
    gtx 780 ti / 780 700$
    samsung 840 evo 500gb 250$
    1866 ram what you like 300-400$ 32 gb
    some WD black 2x raid 0
    Thats best PC you can buy for work and gaming
     
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    4770k
    asus maximus hero iv
    corsair 8gb vengeance 2400mhz
    evga gtx 770 superclocked w/acx cooling
    corsair ax 860
    corsair hydro series H80i

    Shop it on newegg :) best price
     
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    You guys are pretty lucky. Individually picking those components from the cheapest stores here in Sweden goes for about 20-25% more than there in us.
    In case of the 4930k, what's the best affordable motherboard you recommend? I noticed the Asus rampage iv Gene performs well, even though it's a microatx, but i'm content with 32gb ram and up to 2 graphic cards. Anything better for a close pricerange?

    And power supply, should I go for 1000w, like the corsair rm1000 or cooler master v1000?

    And graphic, should I wait for a 290 with a better cooler or should i go nvidia?
     
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    nvidia
     
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    Better cooling, should be here in 2nd half of December. You will get them in Jan.
     
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    nvidia much more silent(35% lower TDP), thats ultimate advantage... and few month left to G-sync monitors.
     
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    CPU/BOARD
    - 4770k / Asus Z87 Pro (This would do just great for your needs and like you said it would help out the cost with regards to your whole setup than if you were to get the 4930 setup)

    GRAPHICS CARD
    - Wait a month for AMD to release new cooler designs for their R9 290 and R9 290X, it will be worth it. Plus you might be able to snag BF4 game if they decide to continue to bundle the cards with it on the non-reference designs.
    MEMORY
    - Gskill TridentZ/RipjawsZ/Sniper 1866Mhz or greater CL9 32GB kit

    WINDOWS DISK
    - If your serious about a boot drive, go with a low 128GB SSD, no need to go crazy here. Samsung 840 Pro 128GB.

    OTHER DISKS
    - Western Digital Caviar Blacks are the best of the best of HDD with the exception of the overpriced Velociraptors. I'd say go with the Caviar Blacks.

    PSU
    - A good 750W PSU should do you just fine, if you are going to crossfire/sli in the future, I would get a good quality 850W, preferably a Gold/Platinum. I'd go with Seasonic or Corsair HX series. Or any quality PSU that has Seasonic guts inside of it. Do not cheap out on a power supply or you will regret it down the road, trust me.

    COOLER
    - The Noctua cooler sounds good, but is expensive. If you want to shave off a few on the cost, you can find a cooler that's cheaper but performs almost just as good as the Noctua. You will have to do some research on this if your interested as I have lost touch on coolers. Me, I just use an average CM Hyper 212 EVO, nothing special, but get's the job done. 55C Load on my 4.0GHz Sandy 2500k.
     
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    I have a 4930k with mini-itx rampage IV gene. Board is as fast as others and cheaper (for the quality it offers). I got some 2133 corsair dominator ram, its 0.5% faster than 1866mhz so don't bother spending money on faster ram (if they got any price difference). Lower timings are most important (I down clocked the timings to 8-8-8-24-1T and got small increase, bigger than 2%). I'm not really sure if its worth spending more than a 4770K unless you plan to do serious video editing on a daily basis (in that case 6core might save you some time).

    You should buy NVidia because of the upcoming Shadowplay feature which is ideal for gaming and video rec at the same time, although if you learn to use video programs that support AMD stream processor's speed you will be blown away by the speed at which AMD can encode/compress videos). Also, if you use AMD's power in video processing, the CPU doesn't really matter anymore.

    You definitely don't need more than 750W PSU (a gold+ should even handle 2 GPUs), don't waste money on 1000W. The Corsair AX860 and AX760 can be found at a lower price than the competition in the UK, check in ur country.

    A fast SSD is fast. +-10% you won't see the difference. You might be interested in acquisition time, but all Samsung drives are ace on that (<0.02ms). Larger drive are usually a bit faster and more responsive. If you plan to buy tons of mechanical storage, I don't think its worth spending on more than 250GB ssd.

    As for comparing Noctua with a good WC AIO, the main difference is that the WC dumps heat right out of your case from the rear or roof. The air cooler dumps heat in the case.
     
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    You should do Ivy-E. It will overclock better than the Haswell and you will get more 16x lanes and more ram slots plus quad channel memory. Haswell moved the VRM onto the die and as a result can't overclock as well due to heat, plus it has the same problems of the original Ivy Bridge with TIM under the lid instead of solder.

    Ivy-E has the soldered on lid (the metal heat spreader on top of the silicon die) like Sandy E and an awesome memory controller and lots of 16x lanes.
     
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    You should get the following:
    CPU: i7 4930K
    MOBO: Rampage IV gene
    RAM: 4x8GB 1600mhz 9-9-9-24 minimum
    Cooling: choose your own but minimum is the hyper 212 EVO
    GPU: R9 290 (I have a no Nvidia policy after my experience with overclocking a friends GTX 670 DCUII)
    HDD: WD RED 2TB
    SSD: I leave this up to you since I find them a waste of space and money
    PSU: 600-700W Corsair/Antec/Seasonic/NZXT/Enermax/XFX
    Case: I leave this up to you since it's a thing of taste
     
  17. Frick

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    Yeah this makes a lot of sense.

    Fourstaff's build is very solid.
     
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    You definitely don't need 1000w; a proper 750w unit will handle SLI/CF with ease.

    Stay away from the Corsair RM line, grab a SeaSonic or SeaSonic OEM like Happita advised.

    This SeaSonic for $110 after rebate is the best bang for the buck I can find at the moment.

    Here are some other OEM options for you to price out if you're outside the US.

    1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Threw in a couple 850wer's just in case, but you really don't need the extra juice.

    Enjoy!
     
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    Yes that seasonic looks like a great one.

    For good air cooling, take a look at the ThermalRight Silver Arrow SB-E, The Phanteks PHTC14, and PHTC12 in addition to the Noctua.

    As far as wireless, get a PCIE x1 wireless card from TPlink, $35.
     
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    The 4930k is not better than the 4770k in gaming. It is slower in games and in OS, it is faster in highly threaded and heavily optimized applications (video editing and 3d modeling). Unless the OP is going to be doing a lot of those two tasks the x79 chipset is slower and much more expensive. The OP does mention video editing, so what we need to know is the following:

    1) How often do you intend to do video editing? Is this going to be several times a week or once every couple months, the 4770k has HT so it's no slouch when it comes to editing but it won't match an Ivy-E chip if you intend to do it constantly.
    2) Would you rather have more performance in games (and more future proof) or better productivity in the afformentioned video editing?

    With your budget I would personally go with a 4770k and then get 2x780 (EVGA classified). I built a similar machine except I'm only doing casual video editing so I went with 16gb of RAM and put the extra money into an overclocking motherboard (asus maximus VI formula). I personally went with WD for my storage drive, but I only did a single drive so I didn't mind spending a little more for the brand I trust. I looked at the Ivy-E chips, but the price premium wasn't worth it for me and the memory performance of Haswell was a big benefit in my eyes.
     

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