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  1. Sanhime

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    Deciding on a new build. Deciding whether I should get 470 SLI or 480 SLI. The cost different between the two is around $130 per card. I am trying to decide if the performance difference between 470 and 480 justifies the cost difference.

    I've been reading about how Nvidia has made ungodly strides in their drivers where I has seen real world scores (not canned benchmarks, I don't give a damn about canned benchmarks) of 460 (OCed) SLI competing equally and sometimes better than AMD's 5870s CFX. Yes, 460 (OCed of course) SLI on par with 5870 CFX. Yes, I know the Ati 10.7 and even 10.6 CCC drivers and CFX are broken, but lets not get into that, i'm just mentioning them to provide a context.

    Anyway, the scores that I have seen on another reputable computer review website, only pitted 460SLI vs 470/480 single cards, in addition to pitting 460SLI vs AMD CFX cards. The scores were interesting to say the least, but I could not extrapolate how 470 and 480 would perform if they were in SLI.

    Now before anyone post links of scores for 470/480 SLI, please don't link old scores from like March, and don't link scores from benchmarks older than July. Drivers back then are no good considering how much Nvidia has improved their drivers.

    If anyone could help, I'd greatly appreciate it.
     
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    Are you planning on a new PSU? Since the 460's scale better than any other card out there right now, I'd go with those.
     
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    Thanks for the imput. I was not planning on 460s SLI, but if I did, I likely not buy a new PSU, since a corsair 850TX easily powers 2 5970 CFX. I'm trying to find out how well 470/480 SLI scales with the current driver.
     
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    Geez, you're stressing the shit out of your system. Running 2x 5970's with an overcloked i7 on a 850w PSU.(actually, it shouldn't be stressing it to bad, the TDP of a 5970 is around 294w)

    Also two 480's do come above two 470's by a fair amount, but i don't believe it's to drastic. I'm running 2x GTX 470's and they're some fantastic card.(noisy when the fan speeds are 80% or above though.)
     
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    Those cards eat power. More than the 5970's in the case of the 480's. For those, you may need a new PSU. And I don't think the 470's with give you better performance than the 5970's, so their is that.

    This upgrade seems real pointless to me, but I digress. The CFX drivers are working fine in the last 3 driver releases to my knowledge. ATI just doesn't scale as well as Nvidia right now.

    The only "upgrade" would be the 480's (setting PhysX aside). Everything else would be a downgrade in overall performance. While all of these setups including 1 5970, and 2 460's is all overkill for gaming unless your resolution is something like "ridiculous x most people's screen width res" which is is not because a LCD TV maxes at 1080p.
     
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    You have 2x 5970's and want to upgrade? I can't help but think this is a total waste of time. Dont even bother with 470's as they wont touch 2 x 5970's. Even 2 x 480's will just about be comparable if not weaker.

    Wait man. Wait. The 6 series is coming from ATI (Nov 10) and Nvidia will have to do something to answer it, even if it is a ludicrously power hungry GF100 mutation.

    I'm planning on a new build in the next 6 months and i'm only on 2 x 5850's (you have double that).

    On a moralistic point, your upgrade in gfx terms is utterly pointless unless you want physx and cuda.
     
  7. Sanhime

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    Who said anything about upgrade?
    This is a new build. :roll:

    Speaking of waiting, that won't happening, as we all know the proverbial argument is always new stuff will always come out. As far as the Radeon 6xxx, I'm sure the cards will be good. I'm problem right now is with AMD/Ati as they notoriously have a history of bad drivers development. The 5970s be my last attempt with Ati. Ati still have not gotten their acts together since the last time I own an Ati card, Rage3D. Until AMD/Ati can get thier acts together with the driver development, the next build(s) will be Nvidia.
     
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    Actually, kudos to Ati, you be very surprise how efficient they build their cards. 5970s are not as power hungry as they appear to be. Playing BC2 on the OC i7 920 with 2 5970s drew on average 550watts system wide.

    The "upgrade" is not as pointless as you may think, or at least to me. When I bought the 2 5970s, I was not educated about the scalability of the Ati cards. Now factor in the price tag at the time ($700). In terms of value vs money, maybe I didn't do enough homework.

    Ati has plenty of months to make their cards as scalable as the Nvidia and truely push their products to the fullest potential. Ati failed to do that. During the months since 5970 was released, every release of the Ati drivers kept breaking something as soon as they improved or added something new. A lot of my games broke after 10.5; whether is was severe drops in framerate, broken cfx and/or graphic corruptions. Like everyone else experiences with drivers, you will see a portion of the gaming folks having the same issues and the other group of gaming folks who are "well everything works fine on my PC". This seems to be a common pattern with Ati, I'm thin on patience.

    It ain't cool when you're running 120fps in BC2 with one driver and then drop to 70fps in the next driver. Yes, 70fps is still beautifully playable, just it just ain't cool.

    When I started seeing scores of 460 SLI on par or if not better than 5870 CFX with current drivers, this upgrade, in real world respects, made sense to me. I nor should any average consumer, should care or worry about "well if only you use this older version of the driver then all is well". I cannot play SC2 on the old drivers even the old drivers work great for me on everything. If I have to break my other games by installing the latest 10.7 just to get SC2, then that is a product I do not want. By this logic going from 5970 to 460 SLI is an "upgrade" for me, but I'm not looking for 460, I'm looking at either 470SLI or 480SLI. lol

    Ati's 5xxx reminds me of a pinto with a V10 cram inside. V10 and powerful but drives lke crap.

    If AMD wont get their acts together in making their drivers as robust as Nvidia's. There can only be 1 of 2 conclusions. 1: THe 5xxx series never had the scalability potential. 2: The driver teams are leftovers from Ati's 1990's department.

    That being said about the 460s scores, it make me curious about 470/480 SLI scores. I'm looking around the internet for real world scores of 470/480 SLI with current drivers.
    TPU, and many other website reviews of 470/480 (SLI) are too old and not representative of the 400s.
     
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    Wow you are misinformed. Scalability for your setup is hindered because it is 4 GPU's and it is hard to scale across so many GPU's. This same issue comes up in Nvidia cards as well, not just ATI. Yes, the 460's scale beautifully, but this is not normal. This is why everyone is so hyped about it because it is a new version of the G100 chip that is just plain better designed. For your setup, yes you wasted some money on that second 5970 since it was not needed to get great frame rate on your setup.

    Now about drivers, breaking shit is normal and applies to Nvidia as well. If you think ATI has some horrible driver issues, you are sadly mistaken. It is the nature of the game as drivers are tweaked and improved for new titles and slightly older titles. Sometimes shit happens. Nvidia has had just as many issues with weird drops in frame rate, audio hiccups, drivers with broken PhysX, (personal fav) strange changes in lighting effects in games, etc.

    It is your money, and you obviously have too much so go for the glory and get the 480's. Scale 2 GPU's will work a lot better than 4, as most games will not know what to do with that much power anyway. And before you go with the fanboy or I don't know claims. I switched from Nvidia to ATI not 3 weeks ago. I have owned 7600 GT, 2 x 8800 GTS, GTX 260, ATI 4770, ATI 5770, and now my ATI 5850. And performance depends on the game. Some games play better on Nvidia, and some play better on ATI.

    SC2 just got released. There are no driver tweaks for it from either camp and it will play like crap. And while Nvidia releases drivers every now and then. I can bank on ATI releasing drivers every month around the same time with new patches and game improvements. SC2 will play great on ATI come 10.8 drivers with CFX scaling even better with 10.9. Why? It is just the nature of the beast. Nvidia is the exact same way and their next drivers will improve SC2 and better scaling on that game with the next ones.

    So I guess my real question is what games broke for SC2 to play?
     
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    I think the only real performance gain the 480's would have in the end is better FPS at each res since it has more RAM. Beyond that, from what FPS I get using a single 5850 OCed at 1920x1200 at newer games, a single 470 would be fine, so to that effect, the SLI 470s would still be overkill, but perhaps give more funds toward other parts of the build if that was needed.
     
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    Thats probably true, I fell for the 4 GPU hype. Now that I think about it, I think 295 had scaling problems as well, but I never owned two 295s, I had two 285s instead and that worked wonderfully. You're correct, some games work better certain cards than others. I guess I'm having buyers remorse, and I want to cut my losses now while 5970 still worth a good chuck of money on ebay. I'm by no means fanboy nonsense, or I would not have dropped $1400 for 2 5970. I think this fanboy-ism mentality is stupid. I've owned Ti4600, 8800gts-sli, and 285gtx-sli before this. I was just not careful when I bought 2 5970s. Its like buying $10k Infinity speakers with a $100 Best Buy Special amplifier to drive them.
    As for what games broke? Textures corrupt in COD4/5 games. BC2 fps dropped from 120 to 70 and became unstable. I think CFX got messed up.

    470 SLI might be overkill, or it might be just be the "sweet spot" between value vs money. It would be nice if people reviewed 470/480 SLI again. I'll stick with my v10 pinto analogy when it comes to the ati 5900.

    Anyway, thanks again for everyone's input.
     
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    Ultimately, I think it depends on how often you upgrade. If you do not plan to upgrade for a long time, the 480 sli would be best simply because its the most future proof. However, if you like to upgrade quite often, then go 460/470 (and perhaps consider not going sli).
    Just my 2 cents
     
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    well currently like this weekend kingpin was benching at quakecon quad sli 480s stock with a 980x on ln2 sitting at 5.3ghz on a classified 4 way sli board
    and in 3d mark vantage score was 46k
    then he ran heaven his score was 3365
    stone giant: fps was 400

    but im not sure if u wanna quad sli though but those are the most recent scores i know of
     
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    So you want a new build, if I were you bro, I would either go with the 2 GTX 470's in SLI or 2 GTX 460's in SLI, the GTX 480's are just to power hungry for what you get from them, well thats my experience anyways:toast:
     
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    You got rid of your 480?
     
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    CDdude55 Crazy 4 TPU!!!

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    Well that sucks.:(

    I'll take it off your hands if you'd like.:Dlol
     
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    :laugh:Lol naah its ok bro, your GTX 470 SLI setup would be killa to have:rockout: no point adding a heater to your rig:roll::roll:

    :laugh:Lol nah I don't think a girl could handle a beast like the GTX 480, maybe you should bench something smaller:roll::roll::roll:
     
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    i can too!!! i would give it to pp then take my 465 back
     
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    LOL, i wants moar power!!!!1:laugh:
     
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    wow thats interesting, a bit pricely for a 470 though. The 470s I was looking at is this:

    Galaxy 70XKH3HS3CUB GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB...

    but I found the Palit one you linked here too at newegg, not in stock :(
    Palit NE5TX470F10DA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB...


    Yea, power hunger can be a thorn. But is the performance between 470 SLI vs 480 SLI just "marginal" (using that word loosely). Or does the 480 SLI completely blows the 470 SLI out of the water to warrant the $130 (per card) differnce. Gawd, It feels like I'm reliving the 275 vs 285 debate all over again. :roll:
     
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    2x GTX 480's in SLI isn't a mind blowing difference between 2x GTX 470's in SLI. The 480 really just has 32 more ''cuda cores'' 8 more ROP's, 283MB's more memory,a higher clock speed and only a 64 bit more memory interface. I'm not saying you won't see a difference, but it won't be to significant over 2x GTX 470's. The 480's are great cards, but 470's are not to far behind at all.
     
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    GTX 470 SLi :D

    More worth than spending money on two GTX480s.
     
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    I forgot to mention that site is an Australian Etailer so the prices are obviously in AUD, not USD, I was just giving you an idea of what type of card you could go with that has a better cooling option instead of the reference design:toast: and about the GTX 480 SLI vs GTX 470 SLI, CDdude55 pretty much made my point:toast:
     

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