4870- NOT satisfied

[erocker]

I hope you're not serious. Surely you can just uninstall the old Nvidia drivers and install ATi's. I really can't be arse with reinstall Windows... Tell me it's not so

Yes it's been this way at least since the Nvidia 6-series days.

 

[HTC]

You are right HTC, however the 8.7's are broken and do not uninstall correctly. I know how to uninstall drivers. I never use driver cleaners, however last night I tried two different versions, neither of which worked. I manually deleted and uninstalled/reinstalled and had success, once. However, my computer felt like a dirty whore after these bad drivers and I reinstalled windows anyway.

Ouch

I've seen your method, in a post and i had even thanked you and had bookmarked it ... until i re-installed, as well, and found that my bookmarks, which i usually save in a file for when i re-install, were not up to date ...

Your method is quite thorough (sp?), from what i remember reading.

Visual C++ is still there when you uninstall.

I wasn't sure, as i said. Thank you for confirming my fears ...

 

[CrackerJack]

The drivers where fake from the beginning, but you know me. I'll try anything once. The driver info says it added:
DriverVer=06/25/2008, 8.520.0.0000

2D Driver Version 7.01.01.809
Direct3D Version 7.14.10.0603
OpenGL Version 6.14.10.7855
Catalyst® Control Center Version 2008.0625.2135.36825
Driver Packaging Version 8.52-080625a-066081E-ATI

4800 Series Supported:

"ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9440
"ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series " = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9442

It was already added to the 8.6 drivers. So this is like what happen to the 8.5 leak drivers, it was just a driver version number change.

 

[msgclb]

The one thing I noticed is that you had good oc on your 8800 GT. I don't know what resolution you're running but from this Anantech review the 4870 should be about 10 points higher than the 8800 GT. Now maybe your 8800 GT 720/1800/2100 would cut that some. I currently have 2x 8800 GT 650/1900/1625 in SLI and I have a better score at 1680x1050 than shown in that review.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=20

Crysis No AA
1920x1200
HD 4870 - 29.7
8800 GT - 20.9

1680x1050
HD 4870 - 35.6
8800 GT - 25.9

1280x1024
HD 4870 - 45.4
8800 GT - 31.9

I still bet that HD 4870 will kick ass when they get all the kinks out of the driver so don't panic just yet.

You can get the ATI Cat HD 4800 Hotfix for Vista and XP right here at TPU.

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Drivers/ATI/

 

[johnnyfiive]

Doubt installing a different different driver would correct the issue. It's most definitely a conflict with previous Nvidia drivers or perhaps a process hogging the CPU or something.

I really don't see why everyone gets frustrated with silly things like 3D Mark, like if you bought your card to watch a benchmark all day-every day. Your 8800 GT played all your games maxed out why would you invest more money to achieve the same thing with another card. Before you consult your frame rate problem, you should consult your compulsion to need every GPU generation!

You should expect at least 15 FPS in Crysis going from a 8800 GT to an 4870!

Edit:

The 4870 would crap all over the 8800 GT look at benchmark above.

Made me laugh.

 

[TheMailMan78]

There are problems with the 8.7's not installing/uninstalling correctly. You must manually uninstal Microsoft Visual C++ after uninstalling the 8.7 farce. I battled it for hours last night. Lesson learned: DON'T USE LEAKED ATi BETA DRIVERS! Also, going from a Nvidia card to ATi, or vice/versa you should reinstall Windows. Most driver cleaners don't work properly. The problems you are facing are not the cards fault.

This man is 100% correct. I had an NV card and driver sweeper maybe good for an upgraded driver but not for a completely new set designed for different hardware. A fresh install of windows is in order. Its the only safe bet to get your 4870 going. Also friends dont let friends use beta drivers.

 

[chron]

This man is 100% correct. I had an NV card and driver sweeper maybe good for an upgraded driver but not for a completely new set designed for different hardware. A fresh install of windows is in order. Its the only safe bet to get your 4870 going. Also friends dont let friends use beta drivers.

WROOOOOONG!

lol

I went from an x1950xt to an 8800GTS to an 8800GT all on the same windows build. It really is about clearing the registry of any values related to the previous drivers.

Steps to go from 8800gt to 4850:

1 run nvidia driver uninstaller
2 Reboot into safemode
3 Run driver cleaner pro > select every nvidia option and run it.
4 Run cab cleaner (optional, i always do.)
5 shut down computer
6 uninstall old video card, install new one, start computer
7 run ATI driver setup and reboot.

There's no reason to reinstall windows, thats absurd ;P

 

[oli_ramsay]

WROOOOOONG!

lol

I went from an x1950xt to an 8800GTS to an 8800GT all on the same windows build. It really is about clearing the registry of any values related to the previous drivers.

Steps to go from 8800gt to 4850:

1 run nvidia driver uninstaller
2 Reboot into safemode
3 Run driver cleaner pro > select every nvidia option and run it.
4 Run cab cleaner (optional, i always do.)
5 shut down computer
6 uninstall old video card, install new one, start computer
7 run ATI driver setup and reboot.

There's no reason to reinstall windows, thats absurd ;P

That's good to hear, I'll follow the instructions in this link http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52502 and hopefully it'll work fine

 

[Blacklash]

Buy the cheapest GTX 260 you can find and OC it to about 640 on the core-



PNY has one for 330usd with rebate. It's likely you'll do better. [H]ard got one to 675 on the core and Firingsquad got one to 712.

 

[TheMailMan78]

WROOOOOONG!

lol

I went from an x1950xt to an 8800GTS to an 8800GT all on the same windows build. It really is about clearing the registry of any values related to the previous drivers.

Steps to go from 8800gt to 4850:

1 run nvidia driver uninstaller
2 Reboot into safemode
3 Run driver cleaner pro > select every nvidia option and run it.
4 Run cab cleaner (optional, i always do.)
5 shut down computer
6 uninstall old video card, install new one, start computer
7 run ATI driver setup and reboot.

There's no reason to reinstall windows, thats absurd ;P

So if you never reinstalled windows how do you know your not losing performance doing this? Alas you wouldn't know SO the only way to be SURE is to reinstall your OS.

Does your way work? Im sure for some people it may but two things your forgetting.
1. Not everyone has the EXACT same setup as you.
2. The only way to be 100% sure is to reinstall everything for your current hardware.

Also don't be so condescending. There is always more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[chron]

That's good to hear, I'll follow the instructions in this link http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52502 and hopefully it'll work fine

yeah i mean it's whatever. Honestly i don't know how a driver cleaner would damage the registry. The only problems I've ever had is when I accidentally select ATI WMD er whatever and my ati tv tuner card stops working, but then reinstalling the drivers fixes it.

Oh well. My point is the same: Windows doesn't need to be reinstalled lol

So if you never reinstalled windows how do you know your not losing performance doing this? Alas you wouldn't know SO the only way to be SURE is to reinstall your OS.

Does your way work? Im sure for some people it may but two things your forgetting.
1. Not everyone has the EXACT same setup as you.
2. The only way to be 100% sure is to reinstall everything for your current hardware.

Also don't be so condescending. There is always more than one way to skin a cat.

I have reinstalled windows, so I do know from experience dude. Alas I DO KNOW! ALAS YEE MATEY! For a while I was reinstalling windows like every 6 months because i felt like it was getting bogged down, but for the past year and a half or so it's been running great. The only thing i can think is doing this is the full time automatic defragmentation with diskeeper pro. Every once in a while I run the registry cleaner in CCleaner.

Also, of course not everyone's setup is the same as mine. Really, who's being condescending here? We're talking about display drivers. It's not brain surgery you moron! (just kidding ;P)

 

[TheMailMan78]

yeah i mean it's whatever. Honestly i don't know how a driver cleaner would damage the registry. The only problems I've ever had is when I accidentally select ATI WMD er whatever and my ati tv tuner card stops working, but then reinstalling the drivers fixes it.

Oh well. My point is the same: Windows doesn't need to be reinstalled lol



I have reinstalled windows, so I do know from experience dude. I used to reinstall windows every 6 months, then i found full time automatic degramentation with something called defrag pro plus (or something weird like that) and my system runs as good now as it did when i installed windows 3 years ago. Alas I DO KNOW! ALAS YEE MATEY!

Also, of course not everyone's setup is the same as mine. Really, who's being condescending here? We're talking about display drivers here. It's not brain surgery

All drivers and hardware react differently with each other. You personally have never had trouble with driver cleaners but many, MANY have. This gentleman is not satisfied with his current purchase and doing things your way may or MAY NOT solve his problem. So Ill say again the only way to be 100% sure given the evidence we have been presented would be to re-install windows from the ground up. Rooting through a registry without proper knowledge could do more damage down the road than just playing it safe now.

 

[panchoman]

clean all drivers properly, (see the many posts abovE) and then up the fan speed for the fan.. it runs at 15%(or similair) at default settings

 

[chron]

All drivers and hardware react differently with each other. You personally have never had trouble with driver cleaners but many, MANY have. This gentleman is not satisfied with his current purchase and doing things your way may or MAY NOT solve his problem. So Ill say again the only way to be 100% sure given the evidence we have been presented would be to re-install windows from the ground up. Rooting through a registry without proper knowledge could do more damage down the road than just playing it safe now.

What damage could possibly be done from messing with the registry that a reinstall of windows wouldn't fix? lol /sarcasm

No no, you're right. I mean it's not like we're the ones doing the work. Let the thread starter spend a day backing up his data and reinstalling windows who gives a crap honestly.

I'm just saying to reinstall windows without following a few simple steps prior is counter-productive and time consuming. No duh, reinstalling windows and starting from scratch would fix his issue, but at least try it the way the best of the best do it (me.)

Also I should probably add - I've been working with driver cleaner pro for a damn long time on many many many many many different setups and I have never ever had a single issue. Not tooting my own horn, it's just, maybe those people who had issues with it weren't doing it right (user derror)

 

[SirJangly]

Can I reinstall windows without losing my files/users? Although that would appear to be pointless

 

[chron]

Can I reinstall windows without losing my files/users? Although that would appear to be pointless

got a dvd burner?

 

[SirJangly]

Yes. Similar to the OP, I am not really seeing a performance boost from my xfx 8800gs to the visiontek 4850 :-\ I don't know if I should reinstall vista. ATI drivers have been a HUGE PIN!

 

[chron]

Yes. Similar to the OP, I am not really seeing a performance boost from my xfx 8800gs to the visiontek 4850 :-\ I don't know if I should reinstall vista. ATI drivers have been a HUGE PIN!

how'd you go about uninstalling the old card and installing the new card? Also, could just be a vista thing. 8800gs has been out long enough to refine vista drivers while this one just came out.

 

[echo75]

update-

i uninstalled both ATI and Nvidia drivers,booted in safe mode, ran 3Dgurus "DriverSweeper" and deleted any remaining traces.

Installed the Hotfix driver that Erocker recommended and ran 3Dmark06...

15,807 at least thats almost 600 points more than the 8800GT (15,253), better than before. So i guess the driver was maybe the problem.

Still i feel kindda deflated i was hoping i would get up to 16,000 points

Hardly worth the $400 bucks (what it costs here in Denmark)i spent on the HD 4870 anyway ill wait patiently for new drivers.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Can I reinstall windows without losing my files/users? Although that would appear to be pointless

Of course. But you should have a constant back up anyways. Never reinstall/install anything new without a back up. I honestly would look into some backup software. This way you never have any worries about your "personals" Also it wont take "all day" to re-install windows. But it is time consuming and if youv never done it before it can be scary. BUT its easy if you take your time. Be careful however because once you do it youll feel like you have to do it once a week to keep your system from feeling like a "dirty whore" as erocker stated.

Oh and chron

 

[MoeDaKilla]

Guys I really do think he is experiencing those "problems" because the ASUS P5K doesn't have PCI-Express 2.0 slots. Maybe the insane memory bandwidth of the overclocked GDDR5 is more suitable for newer mobos. Most of the tests I have seen so far on many websites have been done using newer mobos that have PCI-Express 2.0 slots.

 

[SirJangly]

I dunno. I just feel like the performance isn't worth the additional money. I may just settle for the 130-30mir 3870 on newegg. I only play at 1440x900 anyways, and the games I usually play are wow and CSS/source games.

 

[echo75]

The one thing I noticed is that you had good oc on your 8800 GT. I don't know what resolution you're running but from this Anantech review the 4870 should be about 10 points higher than the 8800 GT. Now maybe your 8800 GT 720/1800/2100 would cut that some. I currently have 2x 8800 GT 650/1900/1625 in SLI and I have a better score at 1680x1050 than shown in that review.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=20

Crysis No AA
1920x1200
HD 4870 - 29.7
8800 GT - 20.9

1680x1050
HD 4870 - 35.6
8800 GT - 25.9

1280x1024
HD 4870 - 45.4
8800 GT - 31.9

I still bet that HD 4870 will kick ass when they get all the kinks out of the driver so don't panic just yet.

You can get the ATI Cat HD 4800 Hotfix for Vista and XP right here at TPU.

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Drivers/ATI/

i ran my crysis tests at 1680x1050 and run 3Dmark06 at default settings.

 

[chron]

update-

i uninstalled both ATI and Nvidia drivers,booted in safe mode, ran 3Dgurus "DriverSweeper" and deleted any remaining traces.

Installed the Hotfix driver that Erocker recommended and ran 3Dmark06...

15,807 at least thats almost 600 points more than the 8800GT (15,253), better than before. So i guess the driver was maybe the problem.

Still i feel kindda deflated i was hoping i would get up to 16,000 points

Hardly worth the $400 bucks (what it costs here in Denmark)i spent on the HD 4870 anyway ill wait patiently for new drivers.

ok ok ok ok ok

ok ok

hold on

first off - have you set your image quality to highest performance? Also, are you running the standard 1280 test?

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4870/14.htm the scores here look like youre where you should be.

720 on an 8800gt is a great overclock. Have you tried overclocking the 4870?

also hey mailman

 

[echo75]

720 on an 8800gt is a great overclock. Have you tried overclocking the 4870?

yeah i have overclocked the 4870 to core 780 and memory to 1100(2200)mhz

so its either that i have an exceptionally good 8800GT or my HD 4870 just sucks balls.