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7800gs AGP or x850xt platinum edition AGP?

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by bcracer220, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. bcracer220 New Member

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    hey guys,

    id really appreciate ur input on which card i should get. right now i have a powercolor 9800se agp and am really not thrilled with it to say the least. I get 4000 in 3dmark03. My rig is:

    AMD Athlon 64 3200+ stock @ 2.2Ghz (socket 754)
    Elitegroup SiS 755 Mobo
    1GB of PC3200 @ 400Mhz
    80GB hard drive (irrelevant yea i know)

    which do u think really let me get the best out of my system? All input would be greatly appreciated especially if u have either of the 2. thanks!
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    first of all, i just got my eVGA 7800GS about 2 days ago, and i am outrageously happy with it. :)

    second of all, which way you decide to go is dependant on how much money you have to spend, and how important having an SM3.0 compliant card is to you.

    in the only direct comparison i've seen between an X850 XT PE and a 7800GS, the 7800GS was completley outclassed. (this cooltechzone.com review)

    however... from what i've seen an X850 XT PE is about 100$ more expensive in most places than a 7800GS... the 7800GS is SM3.0 compliant. while the X850XT PE is not.
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    Let remember that X850 was released in early 2005 (february) and it is based on the same architecture like 9800 series. 7800GS has new and much more advanced architecture and it MUST perform better than X850XT. (I currently have X850XT PE and X800XT PE) and even very happy with them I have to admit that these new 7800 AGP cards could be better than X8x0 series. The only task remaining is the price tag for both nVidia and ATI and the dying AGP :rolleyes: .
    But finally whatever the choice will be both (nVidia 7800 series and ATI X850 series for AGP) are extremely fast cards even today and the owners of them will be happy at least for a while :D .
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  4. trog100 New Member

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    "MUST perform better than X850XT"

    its dosnt peform better but it does have SM3.. your logic is way off..

    newer does not mean better when the newer is deliberately crippled which is the case with the 7800gs..

    the X850 XT PE will ourperform anything out there except the uncrippled X1800 series or the uncrippled 7800 series.. older dosnt come into it..

    trog

    ps.. none of this is "better".. except the 2006 score which dosnt permit the sm2 cards to run half the tests so it creates a totally false impression..

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30296

    there is no X850 cards running there but i know what mine scores and i am sure u know what yours scores..
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  5. bcracer220 New Member

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    hey guys thanks so much for the input but i really am not worrying about price, as newegg has the cards about 10 dollars apart. so which would give me the absolute best scores for my system? (not factoring in price)
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    The 7800GS :)
  7. trog100 New Member

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    not much in it but the 7800gs at similar money would be a better bet cos of its sm3 abilities..

    EVGA 7800 GS 460/1350 MHz 3dmark 2005 = 6070.. my x850 beats that so i will continue to dispute the "better" performance line thow.. he he he

    trog
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    considering my X850XT stock gets 6050 in 3Dmark05 with a RAM bottleneck, I'd say that the X850XT is a better card. However, if you really want SM3, then 7800GS will make you just as happy. And the X850XT does NOT have the same architecture as the 9800 series (or at least the SE). I think that there are probably a gazillion articles explaining the X800 architecture vs. the 9800, but still. A quick look at ATI.com will give you detailed specs of each series, and the difference isnt too hard to find lol.
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    I can't speak for which one would be better for your system, but I CAN relate my recent experience with the same topic. my 6800GT cand went bad, so I was in the market for a new card. Looked at both the 7800GS, and the X850XT/PE at NewEgg. Finally decided to go with the newer technology. Ordered an XFX7800GS Extreme factory overclocked card. It was a nightmare right from the start. I had a fully re-formatted hard drive and fresh windows install to work with. Card would crash me to a black screen and looping sound in every game I played. I had to UNDERCLOCK the card to get it to run at all. NOT what I paid for, and that didn't set well with me. Turns out, it's a VERY common problem with their v. 1.0 cards and bios. Some of the same in the newer v. 1.3, but apparently, not as common. I finally got tired of fighting with it, and RMA'd the card, and ordered the VisionTek X850XT/PE. What a difference. Haven't had a single crash since installing the card. I get 60-85 FPS in Half-Life2, Far Cry, BOTH with all the eye candy turned on, and 50-70 in BF2 set at high. Only negative I have found, is heat. The 7800GS NEVER climbed above 55C, while the S850XT regularly tops 75C. BIG difference. Fortunately, I have a well ventilated case, (6 case fans, 2 PSU fans) so it's not a problem for the rest of my hardware, but it concerns me. Ati/VisionTek tell me not to sweat it, the card isn't considered to be overheating till it hits 105C!!
    There are also lots of threads about incompatiblity with different chipsets and the 7800GS. Not sure which ones are suspect, since mine isn't one of them. It'd be worth your while to surf the other forums and look at that before buying one.
    HTH.
  10. Azn Tr14dZ New Member

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    I would definately go with X850 XT. the fan is alittle noisy though, if you order from newegg.com also get the Arctic Cooling ATI Silencer 5 rev. 2.
    BTW, what does SM3.0 do anyway?
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    Be aware that replacing the HSF WILL void the lifetime warranty. I checked with VisionTek to be sure of that, since mine runs so hot.
  12. Azn Tr14dZ New Member

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    Well, if you're going to RMA the card, just replace the fan. A lot of stuff we do to our cards void the warranty(i.e. overclocking, BIOS flash, etc...)
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    As I mantioned before I also have X850XT PE (9800XT and X800XT PE) and can compare only ATI. The only difference between these cards are speeds and number of pipes. They are definitely fast and good but for the same amount of money today I would choose 7800gs not because of the imaginurily "better" raw performance but because of SM3.0.
    App. two years ago I haven't care about SM3.0 and choosed to buy X800XT instead 6800 which has SM3.0 these days.
    Now days we have to think in perspective especially talking for AGP which is already history.

    Like final of my story I want to say that definitely I have always like ATI more than nVidia for some reasons and still do....
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    my opinion

    i see that plp get lured by SM3.0 which the 7800GS has but if you want quality and performance, get the x850xt, i used to have a x850xt and personally it was the BEST card i ever encountered i never got under 40 fps in high quality and high resolution, and my card went tops 66C because the dual pci slot heatsink it has is pretty cool, in my opinion is that the only thing the 7800GS has for advantage is the SM3.0 which is most known as HDR, and the only thing it does is that it makes the light on games look shinnier.....which i think is dumb because HDR eats the fps supposely you normally have 50 fps and when you turn on HDR you get 40 or 37 fps .....so i think that is just an eye-candy (i have an x1800xl and i always have my HDR feature on games off...but still if i turn it on it doesnt eat my performance, cause its ATI :p )

    i REEEEEALLY recommend you to get the x850xt..... but i think you can buy the x1800xl which is a really good card, and has HDR and it doesnt hurt the performance.

    here is an overview of HDR lighting :
    http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2005/06/14/hl2_hdr_overview/1.html
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    im runnin an x850xtpe right now from vision tek if your case is set up right your temps will be low ive never seen mine go over 67 and that was when i had it max oc'ed and running ati tool to test for artifacts which generates more heat than any game the only fans i have are on the psu and the cpu exaust fan i drilled some holes in the side of my case next to the gfx card so it could breathe i belive i read somehwere that for best cooling your want your case to be trying to remove more air than it can take in hence creating a vacume and my room usualy runs about 75-85F so id say the stock cooler works just make sure u blow the dust outa it often. bf2 runs around 55c on max details 6x aa no dynamic shadows or lighting max resolution at around 38-81 fps in my crapy dell computer just look at my specs i can almost max fear geting a new 939 mobo and a 3700+ san core soon then it will be unleashed :rockout:
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    hmm yeah i never got dust ion my fans because i have some filters that came with my case. but lol i always had that x850xt and i never OCed it :p i need to try that. and hey you think my ram is bottlenecking my video card? look at my specs
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    I see your knowledge about SM3.0 is diddly squat :slap:

    MS SM3.0 Especification:
    Tom's Hardware
    "Shader Model 3.0 - No Limits"
    ShaderMark SM2.0 comparison to SM3.0
    Havok FX Physics Engine SM3.0 Optimization
    Unreal Engine 3 SM3.0 Optimizations
    Hope that was useful :)
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    And about which card to choose, well, let's hear what most respected hardware sites have to say:

    Tom's Hardware:
    AnnandTech:
    HardOCP:
    The Adrenaline Vault:
    Guru3d:
    The Tech Report:
    Neoseeker:
    I know this seems a little overwhelming, but I hope this settle your doubts, also, please note that some of the prices quoted on these articles aren't valid anymore, as both the prices of the X850XT and the 7800GS have gone down really fast since most of these articles were posted.
    Whatever you choose, good luck :)
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    I say basically do you want pretty or do you want more fps for better registry in mmofps games.

    I have an ATI brand x850 Pro AGP @ 540/579 /w 16pp 75°@Max Load.

    I have literally beat the crap out of this card while its still using the stock cooler. ITs too bad you cant get a pro and flash it up as easy anymore.

    Anyway this is what you are going to be faced with if you want to play games like HL2 it is better to go ATI. Espeacially if it is HL2 because the source engine was built for ATI cards. I get really good registry and my fps never drops below 45 on our css server.

    If you play a wide variety of games and want to be compatible with everything and stuff in the near future you go Nvidia.

    Now what i am going to state is if you are willing to spend this much money get a mobo that supports PCI-e. I will tell you from expereince that u get lower fps from agp then you would from pci-e. I also suggest you go pci-e because the future doesn't look bright for agp anymore.

    Plus if u really want to argue sm 3.0 get a x1600pro 512MB.

    Sigh its going to feel like a waste spendin 300 when you wont be able to move it to your next board cause its how i feel.

    Basically

    x850 XT = Speed

    x1600 PRO 512 MB = Im in the middle dont yell at me.

    7800GS = Look at all the pretty shading
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    SM3 renders stuff you won't notice unless you are looking and will lag you up alot :laugh:. X850XT all the way, and if you dont want ATIsilencer5, zalman has a good VGA cooler.
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    lol this is starting to get complicated. In my opinion, both cards are absolutely wonderful. The place where you will really notice the difference is the games, so lets explain how it affects games (really simple :p). Okay, ATI has a history of "softer" rendering quality, and it seems more realistic. Nvidia has a history of shiny eye candy and pretty effects, and so it looks awesome. However, If you look at the back of games at the system requirements, you will see that GAMES ARE MORE PLAYABLE ON ATI GRAPHICS THEN NVIDIA GRAPHICS on cards that are a few years old. I say again, you won't notice SM3 except in benchmarks and when you're really focusing on the render (and not the game). Its a personal choice, X850XT vs. 7800GS. Happy Gaming!
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    Yep.


    Also Warlock the x1600 Pro 512MB AGP wasnt out when they were doing those reviews. Only the 256 was and even then the drivers for it were first gen. Also don't overwelm people with soo much by quoting it just give a bunch of links.

    In my opinion upgrade to pci-e buy a x1300 and just wait till prices drops some. Or if you have the money do it all at once. But sticking with AGP isnt the best idea in the world.

    ATI = speed.

    Nvidia = Look at all the pretty stuff i can do.

    Nvidia i have seen played on i dont like it. ATI i have played on for years its good for most games although sometimes it lacks things like extra shaders to create awsome shadows. Cause i really care if a shadow is perfectly blended or not.
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    It's a shame your looking for an AGP card, because there is so much to choose from with PCIe, and prices are also good. it should have a similar performance to the AGP cards, and i can say, the x850 is pretty sweet!

    I can't say anything about the nVidia card, but if you really want SM3.0, go for it!

    I would definatly say to go with ATI, but with the x850 AGP it will cost a pretty penny! In this case, the nVidia might be the better choice.
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    doh forgot about how expensive a good AGP card can run you
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    At NewEgg, both the 7800GS and X850XT/PE are about $300.00, give or take a few $$ Not enough difference IMO to let the cost difference be a deciding factor.

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