Note that these are regarding MSI cards, not EVGA. So my 8800 ultra was not working right when playing trackmania or age of conan, so I sent it in. They sent me back the exact same card (the broken one), so I called them up again, and they paid for shipping, and to have to "replaced". The problem is, I woke up today, opened the box, and found an MSI 9800gx2 in there. So the question is, which is better? Even if the 8800 ultra is a tiny bit better, I'd like to know. Thanks guys, I'm severely confused and have read reviews that only confused me more!