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Accidental build on the AsRock Z68

Discussion in 'System Builder's Advice' started by itgoesto11, May 15, 2012.

  1. 20mmrain

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    Liquid cooling is considered by some to be a pain in the ass. Others (like my self) consider it to be a god send. The people who love it... have a hard time going back to air cooling.

    I would say if your son gets into bench marking and overclocking.... then yes water cooling will be the way to go. Why???? well while you can get great clocks on air cooled systems..... you can get even better clocks on Water cooled systems. Obviously because it dissipates the heat faster. The other great side to water cooling is the Noise. Or I should say "THE LACK OF NOISE". Right now I can have my CPU overclocked to 5Ghz getting better temps on air.... and when someone talks to me I don't have to keep saying "What?" because my computer sounds like a jet air craft. I'm telling you the hotter the computer gets with air cooling the louder and more fans you need to install to compensate.
    The downside to water cooling is.... it is more complicated to install then Air cooling. There is always that danger of a leak too (Although I have never had a leak) It also costs about as much as a computer by itself. Sure for basic Water cooling set ups you can spend only $125 to just cool the CPU. But to cool your whole computer it is not uncommon to spend over $700 Bucks once everything is all said and done. If not more then that. So you really have to be in to water cooling and overclocking to invest in it.
    My suggestion is ( a little done the road once you and your son get the other basics down ) is to start off by buying just a CPU water cooling kit for around $125.00 (Something like this) and see how you like it. If it works for you keep going and build off of it.

    As far as that heat sink Damaging the Motherboard from its weight and pull from gravity. No it won't .... don't worry about that..... I have had much heavier heat sinks hanging off of motherboards for years without and issue. It will not cause any damage. As a matter of fact .... the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ is a rather lite heat sink when compared to most of the other performance heat sinks out there.
    But yes.... you can install a heat sink too tightly. While it doesn't happen often.... a good rule of thumb is tighten down the heat sink until a little passed snug, You don't want it to be able to work itself loose.....but you don't need it so tight that it's going to bend the CPU pins either (Not really gonna happen just an example.) In fact....you could actually just lay the heat sink on top of the CPU with thermal paste in between.... not tighten it down.... and you would still cool the CPU.

    Just so ya know :)
     
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    Very good question. I don't think he really understands the process yet, but I could be wrong. I don't get it myself, and since I don't game, I don't understand the logic for pushing a system so hard you could burn it out. So, he's prepared for it, and he built the system to endure it, but I asked him to get a system that didn't require overclocking right away... something he could run and enjoy without it. I understand it could potentially do a whole lot of damage again, if you don't know what you're doing.

    If you know what you are doing you won't burn it out. I am running at 4.8 ghz and my CPU never gets past 52 Celsius on gaming load, 100% stable 24/7, everything seems to be much snappier at these speeds, minus load times, which I plan to get an SSD soon to fix that.
     
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    i always put some clear tape or put some ring on the board just to prevent any accident and make sure i done myself coz i dont trust if the other do that
    so if it tightened it wont push the board too much and prevent any damage on that
     
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    I don't think he'll be doing a high OC or anything so water cooling is a waste of money and time IMO

    Noise wise it still does make noise, a Noctua D14 is NOT loud at all... plus if he has headphones on... it really makes no diff
     
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    Well on the noise factor.... I disagree.... 10,000 Water cooling enthusiasts aren't wrong or making it up that water cooling creates less noise. ( I would put my PC's noise against any air cooled computer with the same specs)

    As far as the overclocking goes..... Ahhh don't be so sure. I will tell you when In taught my self to build computers it was only a month afterwards till I did my first overclock. If his son knows what water cooling is.... along with enough knowledge to recognize the difference between low end and high end hardware and smart enough to get a good cooling heat sink.... I am sure.... it will only be a matter of time until he is experimenting with overclocking. If that's the case.... its better to be informed then not informed. That is how mistakes are made.
    And if he doesn't get in to anything like overclocking.... well that's fine.... but at least he knows something about it now.

    Plus if you read my earlier posts.... I said right out... "Wait until you and your son learn more about PC's before you get into water cooling and overclocking."
    I also was very honest with the differences between air cooling and water cooling in my previous post. I made it very clear that it is not worth it unless you plan on doing any of the things I mentioned.

    Last bro in no way was I suggesting he gets into Water cooling at this point in time.
     
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    I never said WC < AC in noise, I'm just saying the difference ain't as big as some people say it is. WC is not 100% silent, AC isn't always loud
     
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    Thanks everyone for your kindness and support. I learned a lot from you all, but more importantly I was able to back my son up and stay calm in the process with your support. He ended up with a beautiful computer that is now up and running. The only thing he is dealing with now is that when he tries to play the game he downloaded, Alma 2, he gets a blue screen and the computer shuts down, so he is troubleshooting. I realize it is a process, especially with a first build, but I would highly recommend it to anyone. I used to be a snow ski racer so I felt a bit like I was back on the hill. And since my 13 year old did all the work really, kids can rock this process, so don't underestimate them.
     
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    Actually maybe someone can help me figure out how to trouble shoot this problem my son is having... ever since he downloaded the VGA drive his computer has gone to blue screen and shut him down... anyone know how to fix this problem?
     
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    Blue Screen of Death (BSOD), its normally not a good thing if it appears regularly, how often does it appear? anytime he try's to play the game? has he tried any other games? if so do other games end up with a BSOD?

    What does the BSOD indicate, take a picture of the BSOD, or write what it say mostly words towards the bottom it could help diagnose if there are bad drivers or faulty failing hardware.
     
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    Check this thread http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165193 does the BSOD display information like this?


    Use this method http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52502 to remove current drivers and try earlier version, eg 12.3
    he can even try removing the card and placing it back in again, it helps sometimes if the card was not well sited in the PCI-E slot
     
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    BSOD.... not BOSD

    sry it just drives me nuts seeing BOSD so many time lmao
     
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    Thanks, I type so fast dint notice or could be I had "Left Brain - Right Brain Conflict"

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    "The brain is divided into two halves (hemispheres).
    Usually, the left half of the brain controls the right side of the body.
    The right half of the brain controls the left side of the body."

    from http://www.doctorhugo.org/brain3/brain3.html
     
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    I'm usually no nazi about mispelling but idk it just irked me today xD

    Does the BSOD happen with any other games? What message does the BSOD give?
     
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    Blue Screen of Death? Please. :banghead: I'm going to bed:shadedshu Computer 10, me 0:nutkick:
     
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    the first thing you should check after getting a new build running and are getting bsods is to make sure the memory is running at its specd timings and voltage
    and its near on impossible to kill a cpu by overclocking unless you
    1. extremely overheat it temps in excess of 90c for sustained periods are bad
    2. run stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuooopid levels of voltage
     
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    Yes Blue Screen of Death, its been known by that name for many years
     
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    doesn't mean death anymore just means something gone and derpd
     
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    also bsod's after installing gpu drivers mean one of three things
    1. the driver is not compatible with whatever the game wants it todo (common with shotty freeware games)
    2. defective card OR lack of Power overheating
    3.ulps/powersaving clock state changing bugs (common with ATI/AMD hardware)
     
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    There is an edit button, don't post multiple times, it is against the rules.

    I've owned a lot of AMD/ATi video cards and this has never been an issue.

    You have that backwards, the game interacts with some 3D API, not the video card directly, it's more likely that the game has a bug in the programming, rather than the video card not supporting the game, and if it is the driver, it's an issue with the driver's interface with whatever 3D api it is using (DX9-11, OpenGL, etc.)
     
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    oops. This is a fact I did not know, apparently. Noobs:shadedshu
     
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    Thanks everyone, now the BSOD Blue Screen of Death seems to be gone... he's been up and running almost a week with no issues, cross fingers. I could not have done it, gracefully, without you.
     
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