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Hi guys,

I have this situation. An acquaintance of mine called me recently with a plea to help him choose a VGA. The guy has zero knowledge about PC and he trusts me completely, which makes me nervous. He is also on an extremely tight budget. When I said zero, I meant, he can't read where his wattage for the PSU is on the box. (I am not saying this to mock him, more like to demonstrate the degree I am talking about). With lots of struggle and eventually remote desktop here is what I scavanged about his system:

CPU: AMD A8-6600K (iGPU: HD 8570D)
MB: AsRock FM2A55M-HD+
RAM: 2x4GB 1600mhz
HDD: WD 1TB (dunno the series- educated guess: Blue)
PSU: Spire Jewel 550W

Target Resolution: 1680x1050

Target Game (he plays all the time): Archеage (recommended GPU: GTS 250 1GB)

Target budget: up to 45 Euro

I already warned him about the card being old for this money, be he said, he doesn't care.

Within this margin, 2-nd hand speaking, there's lots to choose from: GTX 260, GTX 460Se, GTX 550Ti, GT 640 DDR5. I am not sure what to aim for to be honest. What seems so far to be my top 1 is a Gigabyte GTX 460Se for about 36 Euro. It has a twin force cooler and a bandwith of 96 Gb/s- this should be enough for this game, I hope??. But will his PSU hold up to the task?
 
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That PSU you linked kinda gives me chills looking at it... but only because it looks cheap. I honestly know nothing about it but hey, this is a a budget build and I'm guessing it's what he's had?
 
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gtx 460 , gtx 560, gtx 570 or gtx 660, they around 30-60 dollars depend on seller. try to go for gtx 660 hopefully you can find it, Craiglist? in EU
and Gtx 460se is plenty of power to play any game on medium and high at 1050p
Edit: that PSU is bad, but it will do.
 
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It might be better if you can find a AMD 6570 or 6670 and crossfire with that APU. Both will work with any cheap PSU.
 
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+1 to both of these suggestions.
 
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It might be better if you can find a AMD 6570 or 6670 and crossfire with that APU. Both will work with any cheap PSU.
GTX 460 is two times faster than a 6670 thus even with 100% scaling the nvidia would be a better choice

 
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GTX 460 is two times faster than a 6670 thus even with 100% scaling the nvidia would be a better choice


But will the PSU handle that without making his PC a crater?
 
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One issues i see is the PSU has no PCI-e Power connections. So would need to check if the 2x molex are used and if they arn't then you can use an adaptor to get a 6pin which would open up option with some of those choices else. if you can't free up both then need a pretty lower draw card that doesn't need pci-e power.
 
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But will the PSU handle that without making his PC a crater?
Well if the specs are true it can deliver 300W on the 12V rail so in theory it should work. Practice is another story :D
 
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A 550W PSU with 300W on the 12v rail? Run away from that PSU... That sounds like it was made 10 years ago with more power on the 'sub' rails than on the 12v...

Get that man a Corsair CX430 for $45. Though its a low end Tier2 PSU, it is still plenty serviceable and has most of its output on the 12v rails where it should be for a modern PC.
 
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GTX 460 is two times faster than a 6670 thus even with 100% scaling the nvidia would be a better choice


But will the PSU handle that without making his PC a crater?

This is exactly the same reason I suggested the 6570/6670 and CF with APU. Don't want that cheap PSU eat his whole machine, I have seen that happen on my first machine and will not do that mistake again!!
 

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Please don't put a dedicated GPU in that computer without replaced the PSU first!

He might be safe with a GTX 750, only because they use so little power.
 
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That sounds like it was made 10 years ago
I think you're getting close...
Supports Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon XP and Athlon 64
Just sad that someone's still selling a design that is that old.
Please don't put a dedicated GPU in that computer without replaced the PSU first!

He might be safe with a GTX 750, only because they use so little power.
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Thank you a lot. I've looked into every post with attention. You cleared some of my indecisiveness. I will talk to him tonight. The first option: Xfire with 6670, was looked into TPU some time ago (2013) and apparently it ain't worth it. Second option if PSU is not replaced is getting something like gt640 with DDR5 (28 nm 50< watts), that would grant him some boost: the APU pushes 29.9 gb/s and gt640 ddr5 - 40.1 gb/s, but faster texture fill rate. However, if I don't want reports of black outs, random reboots and shut downs I will tell him that a new PSU is required.
 
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Hi guys,

he can't read where his wattage for the PSU is on the box.

Target budget: up to 45 Euro

I don't have wattage written on my psu :laugh:

You are from Bulgaria. I am from Romania. Something tells me the pc components second-hand market is at the same value/money.

For 45 euros ONE card ONLY: Radeon HD 5830 ,and hes life will never be the same again :peace:
My HD 5670 costs 20 euros, the 256 bit version 5830 is double the money around 40 euros . Good luck finding one,tho.
 
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No point on DDR3: pushing 28.8 gb/s; Pixel: 5.84, Texture: 14.6

His APU is pushing: 29.9 gb/s, Pixel: 7 ; Texture: 14 , has to be DDR5 r7 240 to be worth it IMO.
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ddr5 варианта е 150
 
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He needs a second hand 750Ti if he can find one, that will blow all those cards away.
 
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(I have no first hand knowledge of APU's, this is based on what I've read)
Target Game (he plays all the time): Archеage (recommended GPU: GTS 250 1GB)
Thanks for fixing that.
ArcheAge Minimum System Requirements:
Processor: Intel Core2 Duo or higher
Hard Disk: 30 GB (NTFS-formatted disk)
Memory: 2 GB RAM
Graphics card: Must have at least 1024MB video memory (elsewhere, they list: Graphics card: Geforce 8000 series or higher, Radeon HD 4000 series or higher, with at least 512MB video memory)
Operating system: Vista SP1, Win7 SP1
High-speed internet connection
Here's what I don't understand. According to Tom's Hardware gaming CPU hierarchy chart, that CPU is third tier from the top, so it should run the game fine. The GPU should also be plenty. Bottom line - what he has should be good enough!
Questions I have:
Is there enough RAM assigned to the GPU? I don't know how that's done:oops: - whether it's dynamic or has to be set in BIOS. (Since the GPU uses system RAM, it is a real shame that 1600MHz RAM was used - this is where buying fast RAM makes sense)
That website talks a lot about cleaning up your system. Is he trying to run other programs at the same time, like FRAPS?

http://semiaccurate.com/2014/01/15/exploring-effect-memory-bandwidth-amds-kaveri/
After reading that, I wonder (a question to the community) if he'd be better off buying faster RAM instead of an old GPU? If faster RAM netted him 3-5 fps, would that be enough?
the APU pushes 29.9 gb/s and gt640 ddr5 - 40.1 gb/s
Don't compare GPU's that way. His 8750D gets a 3DMark score of 1820 and 135 in rank, while the GT640 only gets 2190 and 117 in rank. Not enough of a difference in my book to recommend. The GTX 750 that @newtekie1 recommended moves the bar the whole way to 4740 and 59.
The guy has zero knowledge about PC
Based on that, I'd suspect that his system is all junked up. Start with a thorough cleaning, do some optimization and then see how his system is. Throwing a marginally faster GPU at it is not going to help the situation.
I'd try to keep him with AMD GPU's, just for simplicity's sake. A 7750 might do nicely.
BTW, he knows nothing, but he knows he needs a GPU????? What problem(s) is he having? Would turning the detail(s) down fix the problem?
 
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He needs a second hand 750Ti if he can find one, that will blow all those cards away.
In the budget of 45 euros ? Maybe if you live in USA and get it on ebay with free shipping. Lets just be more realistic. USA is the only market on the planet were you can find anything at any price.
Me and the OP ,we are from same places. The second-hand market here is ,bad to say the least. And the reason is ,people just don't buy much. The mentality on this side of the world is buy a pc now and keep it for 5 years. No joke. And after that ,selling it is useless and most of people just prefer to keep their old stuff in the basement...."just in case i will ever need it again".
New mentality is coming, new wave.....but ti takes time.
 
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(I have no first hand knowledge of APU's, this is based on what I've read)

Thanks for fixing that.

Here's what I don't understand. According to Tom's Hardware gaming CPU hierarchy chart, that CPU is third tier from the top, so it should run the game fine. The GPU should also be plenty. Bottom line - what he has should be good enough!
Questions I have:
Is there enough RAM assigned to the GPU? I don't know how that's done:oops: - whether it's dynamic or has to be set in BIOS. (Since the GPU uses system RAM, it is a real shame that 1600MHz RAM was used - this is where buying fast RAM makes sense)
That website talks a lot about cleaning up your system. Is he trying to run other programs at the same time, like FRAPS?

http://semiaccurate.com/2014/01/15/exploring-effect-memory-bandwidth-amds-kaveri/
After reading that, I wonder (a question to the community) if he'd be better off buying faster RAM instead of an old GPU? If faster RAM netted him 3-5 fps, would that be enough?

Don't compare GPU's that way. His 8750D gets a 3DMark score of 1820 and 135 in rank, while the GT640 only gets 2190 and 117 in rank. Not enough of a difference in my book to recommend. The GTX 750 that @newtekie1 recommended moves the bar the whole way to 4740 and 59.

Based on that, I'd suspect that his system is all junked up. Start with a thorough cleaning, do some optimization and then see how his system is. Throwing a marginally faster GPU at it is not going to help the situation.
I'd try to keep him with AMD GPU's, just for simplicity's sake. A 7750 might do nicely.
BTW, he knows nothing, but he knows he needs a GPU????? What problem(s) is he having? Would turning the detail(s) down fix the problem?

Dude, I'd triple thank if I could. You got it spot on without even be physically here. I will address piece by piece, since you put in so much effort of your own.

First thing first, I don't know if there is enough assigned RAM. Right now I am out of town and all I can do is figure out from a distance. The same guy called when he got this PC last year and he got it with a 32 bit windows and 8 GB of RAM. Most probably the GPU settings have never been touched in the BIOS. (he is using 64 bit Windows now, after I told him back then).

Second thing you mention twice is cleaning up- just sharing, but when I logged in remotely into his PC to check what's under the hood, first thing that popped up was some random search engine on his browser.... if that was there I could only imagine what else made its way there. But it was late and I didn't have time to scan with a malware program. So that's there too, you are 200% right.

He doesn't know he needs a GPU. As far as I can piece it together, he's experiencing some kind of a glitch, where his character textures disappear and only borderlines are left and vice versa with the environment of the game. It appears on different combinations of details he tried. Probably the drivers of his PC are from a year ago. All he knows is, "I want to play my game and its probably my video card". But trust me, under 1 minute of conversation you will know that person is miles away from PC stuff. (apart from a few concepts).
 
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There is so much info in what @thebluebumblebee said. However,are you considering not to buy a graphics card ? Drivers....memory etc.
In order to play a decent game you need dedicated card.
I would also suggest when you have the time,go to hes place open the box and clean it up.After,a full hdd format with clean OS install. Eliminate any software problem that might exist.

Off topic: it's kinda funny/not that hes playing Archeage . It's a bad mmorpg. I tried it for a few days. It's really bad. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,right ?
 
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Off topic: it's kinda funny/not that hes playing Archeage . It's a bad mmorpg. I tried it for a few days. It's really bad. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,right ?
That's not off topic. I've seen people on here blaming hardware for software problems - even a guy who RMA'd 2 GPU's for a know glitch.
 
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I've seen people on here blaming hardware for software problems - even a guy who RMA'd 2 GPU's for a know glitch.

Mmmm......you are saying that maybe he does not need new hardware (graphics card) it might just be the game creating problems ? Sure. I have seen this in Silkroad Online.I had to rollback the video drivers. Eventually i gave up on Sro,upgrading my drivers since i needed them to play newer games. I guess that can always be a suspicious possibility.
Coming back at the discussion at hand , i still agree to the fact that he needs a dedicated graphics card. It brings more power,fidelity , frames per second etc.

As for my comments, i only brought into the discussion my own experience with the game. When i said it was bad i was kinda referring to the gameplay and some general user interface. UI witch as for my experience with other mmo, it can be much more smother. Unfortunately it just isn't in the case of Archeage.
 
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