AGP, PCI-E, PCI? Differences?

[MilkyWay]

8500GT will have zero decrease or increase in performance

maybe a little more as the bus supply's more voltage and is faster overall but 8500GT is not limited by AGP in fact AGP is a lot of bandwidth and speed for the card

looking at pci tho i dont think ive seen a card that wasnt limited by its pathetic bandwidth and speeds, i had a 9200pro for a second rig i had years ago that was fine in pci but its not like it needs a lot of bandwidth

In March 2009, PowerColor released two midrange AGP cards based on the latest technology - the HD4650 and HD4670.

 

[crazy pyro]

I referenced your thread before you got here Yukikaze. Cheers for providing exact numbers though, I hadn't read it for a month or so.

 

[farlex85]

Actually, the difference is more like two-fold, rather than 2 more fps. Like I showed in my previous post: The HD4350 on PCI-E x16 beats the 8500GT on PCI in Crysis framerate when it is running at 1680x1050 and the PCI card is running 1024x768.

Shows what I know. Interesting experiment though, and indeed that best answers his question. My point was going from pci to pci x16 won't be nearly as big of a performance difference as going from an 8500gt to oh say an 8800gt or 4770. You change buses, but the card difference is the big thing. Besides this guy always goes on about how he doesn't need the fastest and then asks questions like this, and I'll be damned if I don't get him to see how messed up his logic is.

 

[KainXS]

wow this thread is back

 

[eidairaman1]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=88791&highlight=HD4350
Yukikaze benchmarked X16 being cut down to X1, X1 provides a similar bandwidth to PCI (I think so anyway, if it's different it'll be greater).

PCI E 1x has slightly more bandwidth, but not much to make a difference, its just like how ATA/IDE vs SATA was when the SATA came out.

 

[RadeonProVega]

Thanks for the information guys. I was just curious thats all, and i don't have a 8500GT for the person who said i did. I only 2 pci cards which i am using the 2400HD and the 8400GS which i am using now.

On another note, i did mention that i am going to buy 2 PCIE cards sometime this month, moving on from PCI. However i found a card at best buy a 9600gt that does not required a power connector, its only 140.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9267401&type=product&id=1218072179509

I may end up buying that along with this:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9200991&type=product&id=1218057381797

 

[ShadowFold]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8992593&type=product&id=1218007083797

Thats the "best buy" at Best Buy

 

[MilkyWay]

i never said you had one i just used it as an example because you requested

$140 is a lot for a 9600gt just get an ati 4650 or a nvidia 8800gt

best buy sucks so does other places your not going to get a deal like that unless you buy second hand from the forums or another forum or a place like newegg

 

[oli_ramsay]

Here's a 4850 for $120

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131118R

 

[MilkyWay]

Here's a 4850 for $120

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131118R

see i told you the 9600gt was overpriced the 4850 is a good card will run everything max and isnt that powerful

 

[RadeonProVega]

Hold up now, if you guys are going to help me , i will listen this time and buy what you suggest. However, you always have to remember i only shop at offline retail stores and i am not really on a budget, but i want 2 video cards. One Radeon and one Geforce. and i don't buy cards that require a connector.

Now ShadowFold, i forgot all about the 4670. Thats a good price for it, what about Geforce ? Would the 9600gt be good, and it doesn't even required a connector.

 

[ShadowFold]

The 4670 is on par with the 9600GT.. No power connector too! It's a bit more future proof too since it's DX10.1 vs just 10. 10.1 is supposedly gonna work with DX11, which in the long run would be good on your end if you're a gamer. And how do you know that 9600GT doesn't need a connector? As far as I know, they all do except for the one EVGA came out with a few days ago.

Oh and check out CompUSA!
http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4538324&CatId=3669
They have retail stores too I'm pretty sure.

 

[a_ump]

yea, u2k i thought u were going to shop online more like at newegg? the HD 4850 is a no go as u2k doesn't like power connectors but yea you should def skip on that 9600GT dude, and look at the HD 4670

HIS IceQ Turbo at $74.99.

That's the best performing card you'll get with no power connectors, though there was a 9800GT green card that had no power connectors, just can't find it.

 

[oli_ramsay]

i only shop at offline retail stores and i am not really on a budget, but i want 2 video cards. One Radeon and one Geforce. and i don't buy cards that require a connector.

why, why and why?

I think you should just get the 9600Gt from best buy, anything else will be bottlenecked by your CPU.

You really dont need 2 cards 1 will be fine (you do know that you can't run them at the same time, right?)

 

[a_ump]

why, why and why?

I think you should just get the 9600Gt from best buy, anything else will be bottlenecked by your CPU.

You really dont need 2 cards 1 will be fine (you do know that you can't run them at the same time, right?)

maybe he doesn't like to show favoritism so buys 1 from both camps

 

[RadeonProVega]

And how do you know that 9600GT doesn't need a connector? As far as I know, they all do except for the one EVGA came out with a few days ago.

http://www.galaxytech.com/en/product.aspx?serial=22

Unless its hidden , i don't see it

But over at
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq

I see a power connector, unless there are 2 different ones?

Oh and check out CompUSA!
http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4538324&CatId=3669
They have retail stores too I'm pretty sure.

All in FL it seems and other places.

yea, u2k i thought u were going to shop online more like at newegg? the HD 4850 is a no go as u2k doesn't like power connectors but yea you should def skip on that 9600GT dude, and look at the HD 4670
That's the best performing card you'll get with no power connectors, though there was a 9800GT green card that had no power connectors, just can't find it.

Just didn't feel like shopping online. I have been shopping at stores offline since i was like 10 or something, why stop now? I did go on a shopping spree years ago at amazon.com, only because i knew the people offline , but still, offline is where i go for business. Best buy, walmart, FYE, staples, office depot, etc.

why, why and why?
I think you should just get the 9600Gt from best buy, anything else will be bottlenecked by your CPU.
You really dont need 2 cards 1 will be fine (you do know that you can't run them at the same time, right?)

I want 2 cards tho and yes i don't use them at the same time lol, i switch back and forth with them when one game doesn't work good. Like with my 8400gs and 2400HD, in some games the 2400HD beats the 8400gs seriously and in other games the 8400gs beats the 2400hd. Alot of my games run like crap and aren't stable with my 2400HD, well good thing i have my 8400gs because they work just fine with it.

 

[ShadowFold]

That low profile 9600GT would seem like it would be weaker than others because of lack of(or maybe it's really small?) power phases and other stuff that makes cards good.. I wouldn't trust it for gaming honestly. Just my 2c. Maybe I'm wrong. Plus the 4670, being full sized, has a better cooler. And remember, the bigger your card is the bigger your penis is

 

[TheMailMan78]

The 4670 is on par with the 9600GT.. No power connector too! It's a bit more future proof too since it's DX10.1 vs just 10. 10.1 is supposedly gonna work with DX11, which in the long run would be good on your end if you're a gamer. And how do you know that 9600GT doesn't need a connector? As far as I know, they all do except for the one EVGA came out with a few days ago.

Oh and check out CompUSA!
http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4538324&CatId=3669
They have retail stores too I'm pretty sure.

DX10 and DX10.1 hardware will not run DX11.

 

[ShadowFold]

DX10 and DX10.1 hardware will not run DX11.

Yes it does, ask flyordie

 

[Kursah]

DX10 and DX10.1 hardware will not run DX11.

Yes it does, ask flyordie

It won't really matter till DX11 is actually out in games that will utilize it, by then we'll probably be on the 2nd generation of DX11 cards lol. They might have things planned, but it could be quite a while before we even see a good use for DX11. I'm fine with DX10, 10.1 for ati, it doesn't matter if what is on your screen looks good for what you paid for your build and you're content.

 

[a_ump]

Just didn't feel like shopping online. I have been shopping at stores offline since i was like 10 or something, why stop now? I did go on a shopping spree years ago at amazon.com, only because i knew the people offline , but still, offline is where i go for business. Best buy, walmart, FYE, staples, office depot, etc.

lol why stop now? because it can save you oodles of money duh

oh and here's the 9600GT with no power connector, link and i wouldn't thk any less of it, it simply won't overclock cause of the lowered voltages to memory and core in order to get it's power requirement within the margins that the PCI-E bus can supply.

 

[RadeonProVega]

That low profile 9600GT would seem like it would be weaker than others because of lack of(or maybe it's really small?) power phases and other stuff that makes cards good.. I wouldn't trust it for gaming honestly. Just my 2c. Maybe I'm wrong. Plus the 4670, being full sized, has a better cooler. And remember, the bigger your card is the bigger your penis is

Alright anyways, i guess when i go and buy the 2 cards, i will see what they have and keep the 4670 at the top of my list The 9600GT has 52GB of bandwidth with GDDR3 and a 256bit bus, not to mention 512MB. I have been using cards that has 4.3 and 5.3 and 6.3 bandwidth, so i think the 9600gt if it does not have a power connector would be just fine hahaha.

Cheers And you never know i may find something else when i am there, who knows.

I do have one last question tho, this is my rig
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883114066

If i would to upgrade or just buy a spare backup PSU, i will order this from newegg, only because there is no offline store in my area that has good PSU, limited them at best. So i need a PSU that has 2 i think sata power connectors or a psu that has 2 power connectors. I am not sure if you know how my PSU looks.

lol why stop now? because it can save you oodles of money duh

Not really, online is high too, everywhere is. Offline, you may have to spend about 20 or 30 bucks more, but thats not a problem with me.

oh and here's the 9600GT with no power connector, link and i wouldn't thk any less of it, it simply won't overclock cause of the lowered voltages to memory and core in order to get it's power requirement within the margins that the PCI-E bus can supply.

I don't OC lol, when i buy something i want it to last for years, so i keep things easy on me. I like to keep things simple. Thanks for the link tho, i will keep it in mind when i go pcie shopping soon. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[farlex85]

If i would to upgrade or just buy a spare backup PSU, i will order this from newegg, only because there is no offline store in my area that has good PSU, limited them at best. So i need a PSU that has 2 i think sata power connectors or a psu that has 2 power connectors. I am not sure if you know how my PSU looks.


I don't OC lol, when i buy something i want it to last for years, so i keep things easy on me. I like to keep things simple. Thanks for the link tho, i will keep it in mind when i go pcie shopping soon. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Most best buys have antec earthwatts PSUs which are quite solid, some thermaltakes every now and then, and at least a rocketfish which while not the best will handle your stuff fine. If the BB in your immediate area doesn't have one there's a good chance one close by does. Fry's also is a good place for PSUs.

And although I know it won't do any good, I'll continue to argue your logic, b/c well, I must. Your last statement doesn't make much sense as you have gone through 3-4 rigs in your time here. Know how many I've had in that time? 1. It hasn't changed a bit since your join date (well, I might have added new ram and I got a new case but you get the point). I consistently oc it 24/7 at what is in my specs, and have oc'd it more at other times. It's coming up on a year and a half w/ this rig and oc'ing it and guess what, no problems what so ever and it's played games great all the while. Oc'ing is not the devils work, nor is buying online. My rig has and will continue to last longer than any average pre-built lifespan b/c I take the time to learn about what I'm doing and went w/ the best options. We (or perhaps I) aren't (am not) trying to get you to destroy your rig so we can laugh at you (although it would be funny ), we're trying to help you get the most out of your computer.

 

[a_ump]

^tru dat

u2k, you said online is expensive as well and stores are only 20-30 bucks more expensive, well its more like 30-40. which is quite a bit. but if money isn't the issue i don't understand why you don't build a better rig? it would provide u much more performance for your dollar. My only conclusion is you enjoy the challenge of not being able to run games maxed and having to tweak settings till you find the perfect spot. I find it kind of fun to figure out how much i can get out of my 7800GTX, but believe me if i had the cash i'd have a much better card(eyeballing the HD 4770 personally). not to mention your going to purchase 2 cards from a store, which will probly total 250. with that you could purchase an HD 4870 and a PSU to power it. but i, as i hear many others have, give up.:shadedshu

 

[Yukikaze]

I referenced your thread before you got here Yukikaze. Cheers for providing exact numbers though, I hadn't read it for a month or so.

Thanks. I didn't notice since I was typing this after I got home from work at around 2130 (And I got home at like 2100 after a way too long day spent fighting HW issues and flashing and re-flashing ROM emulators and EEPROMs at work) and I was half-dead.

I am surprised the post came intelligible at all.

I am going to pick up a used 8500GT for the PCI-E so I can run a direct comparison against the PCI8500GT and my sawed off HD4350 and post some numbers. Might take a while though, still plenty of projects, university projects, work projects and what not to come first...