AGP, PCI-E, PCI? Differences?

[RadeonProVega]

Isn't PCIE 3.0 the newest?
or i am missing something here?

 

[crazy pyro]

PCI-E 2.0 x16's the fastest graphics interface right now, 3.0's probably still in development/ not coming at all. This thread has officially been derailed.

 

[KainXS]

i knew this would happen

 

[erocker]

i knew this would happen

Well, that's an informative post! I'll just rename the thread so all of your "this thread is going off topic" off topic posts will be defunct. Mwahahahaha!!

 

[crazy pyro]

I made that comment as part of an informative post, I'm trying to stop myself from derailing threads at the moment.

 

[erocker]

I'll say this again. If you feel that a thread is being crapped on, thrown off topic, contains something unnapropriate, use the REPORT BUTTON. Why? Because filling the thread with posts saying "This is off topic" is essentially off topic and does nothing but fill the thread with more useless banter. However using the REPORT BUTTON allows for us moderators to be alerted to the thread in question without straying the thread off topic even more. Thank you.

 

[kiriakost]

I done a whitepaper for AGP and PCI-E, hers a copy and paste job from both.



In this case the only advantage of PCI-E over AGP is that of data throughput (3200MBps vs. 2100MBps) as AGP is a point to point link anyway. If a graphics card is being used for less conventional uses (maybe video capture?) the equal downstream throughput should provide a large advantage over AGP. For PCI devices, especially those requiring frequent bus accesses, the gains in latency will provide a great advantage.

My congratulations for this honest technical info .

The sea of knowledge are enormous , but very few has the potentials to explore it.

 

[hat]

man this thread takes me back. I remember there was this guy who still played Quake (as did I, of course) and we had pretty similar machines, except he had a 7800gs and I had a 5200 ultra. When I got my 6800xt I was so happy because I was finally able to somewhat compare to his system's performance, however, shortly after he got the (brand new at that time) 8800gts

 

[hat]

Isn't PCIE 3.0 the newest?
or i am missing something here?

pci-e 2.0 is the fastest available on the market. 3.0 is still in R&D

 

[RadeonProVega]

I just want to make sure right quick, if i had a computer which this slot:

I can use a 4670 card in it right?

Also my next question, it seems this rig only allows low profile cards, the desktop looks like a big book btw.

 

[ShadowFold]

That's a 1x slot so no. You need a full length 16x slot.

 

[RadeonProVega]

I thought pciex16 / 2.0 was backwards compatible?

 

[A Cheese Danish]

I thought pciex16 / 2.0 was backwards compatible?

Yes, but the picture of the slot you took is PCI-E x1, not x16

 

[RadeonProVega]

This is from another forum:

I want to know that whether XFX 9600GT Graphics Card(PV-T96G-YMFF) which is PCI-E 2.0 card, will fit in my mainborad(Intel Original DG35EC Motherboard) whose PCI-E version is 1.1. Is this PCI-E 2.0 card is backward compatible with PCI-E 1.1 slot of my mainboard ? If yes, what settings I have to do during installation for this backward compatibility?

Should I connect PCI-E six pin power supply to the card when using it in PCI-E 1.1 Slot? Is this power connection to the card used only when fitting the card in PCI-E 2.0 Slot and not when fitting in PCI-E 1.1 slot?

Someone said this:

The power connector is a requirement, and you should have no issues with the compatibility.

On another note i found this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200157

 

[A Cheese Danish]

The black port is the PCI-E x16 or PCI-E 1.1 slot

EDIT: And there is no problem hooking a 2.0 card into a 1.1 slot. But if there is a power connection on the card it MUST be used

 

[RadeonProVega]

So only 2.0 , not x16?
And about power connectors, no need, the 4670 doesn't require any.( i also do not buy cards that required them )

 

[A Cheese Danish]

So only 2.0 , not x16?
And about power connectors, no need, the 4670 doesn't require any.

No, It's PCI-E x16 1.1, and the next step up is PCI-E x16 2.0. Kinda like USB 1.1 and USB 2.0, same port, different speeds.
And correct, the 4670 does not have a power connector on it

 

[hat]

The problem with running a 4670 in that slot is that it has no external power connector and that slot will not provide enough power to the card. You need a full-sized slot to give the proper amount of power. Also, the pci-e 2.0 spec is 150w and pci-e 1.1 spec is 75w, so if you run a pci-e 2.0 card without a power connector in a pci-e 1.1 slot you may experiance power problems.

 

[RadeonProVega]

ooooooh, so pcie x16 2.0 are the ones that would work.

Peace and thanks for the info again

The problem with running a 4670 in that slot is that it has no external power connector and that slot will not provide enough power to the card. You need a full-sized slot to give the proper amount of power. Also, the pci-e 2.0 spec is 150w and pci-e 1.1 spec is 75w, so if you run a pci-e 2.0 card without a power connector in a pci-e 1.1 slot you may experiance power problems.

People said i will have problems with my 8400gs running on 90watts. This card requires 350 watts, i am just fine lol

 

[ShadowFold]

4670 does not need 350w.. Maybe a whole PC but not the card itself. Just so you know, all 16x length cards will work in 1.1 and 2.0 slots. Putting a 2.0 card in a 1.1 slot is perfectly fine!

 

[KBD]

Thanks for the information on the agp guys. But i don't have my secondary computer anymore.
I recently bought a dell optiplex gx280, Intel Pentium 4 with 2 pci slots and 1 green agp x4 slot, 3.0ghz with 2GB. However, i had to take it back , because of a powersupply issue, and well the guy likes to get over on people, etc etc, i almost had him arrested, etc back to my lovely p3 lol.

Oh well, i am just going to buy my new rig from best buy like i said from the start and stop dealing with these sh*** ass pawn shops and Thrift stores.

peace

thats what you get when you buy from pawnshops. If you want to save money you can can pick up a brand new P4 Dell (or other OEM) system on ebay for around $200 or so and at least it will come with some warranty/support.

 

[RadeonProVega]

4670 does not need 350w

Yes i understand that, I was just giving an example, how my 8400gs PCI requires i meant to say 300. But i am using 90watts and the card is running at its full power, gaming, no issues. I understand PCIE cards and PCI cards are completely different. I plan to run either a 300 or 350watts PSU with a 4670, whenever i buy the 4670. From what its mention over at gpureview, it only draws 59w. Thats slightly higher then this 8400gs , which i was told only draws 40.

Just so you know, all 16x length cards will work in 1.1 and 2.0 slots. Putting a 2.0 card in a 1.1 slot is perfectly fine!

So i could buy a x16 or 2.0 card, and it should work just fine, thanks for the information.

thats what you get when you buy from pawnshops. If you want to save money you can can pick up a brand new P4 Dell (or other OEM) system on ebay for around $200 or so and at least it will come with some warranty/support.

http://www3.dealtime.com/xPF-Dell-D...ron-Desktop-Computer-for-Business-210LTCELMIN
I did not buy this rig from that site or a pawn shop, i bought this rig at a computer shop across town today

I already bought it for 40 bucks, its on hold for me, so i will pick it up monday. It has the following features:

It has actually 2.8ghz(not 2.66)
2GB already install
My lovely Intel Chip ( I don't use onboard video, its just nice to have one inside )
Its a Pentium 4, with Intel Celeron D
It has one PCIE slot, and 3 PCI slots.
It comes with 250watts PSU

I am planning to add a few things to it or save for it(for a spare) Like a spare PSU, a external HD, and a 8600gt. Oh and i am installing XP pro edition. This rig will hold me over for about 10 years, i hope anyway. Don't know if dell is long lasting like Gateway.

Cheers

 

[hat]

Its a Pentium 4, with Intel Celeron D

lol

 

[RadeonProVega]

I seen video of people playing games just fine with a Celeron D, i have 2.8ghz, that should be just fine. Even tho i heard 533mhz is slightly slower then 800mhz, but still good enough. I am pumped right now, you guys know the first game i plan to install , is Crysis Demo. The only slighly bad part , i have to use my Visiontek 2400HD PCI card until i buy my 8600GT in a few weeks. Using a 2400HD in a more powerful rig is always a small boost , so i will run crysis at 1280x1024 medium to high and see how it goes.

 

[RadeonProVega]

Oh i see, i keep getting confused with that damn p4 sticker on some of the models(there was tons of them laying around) I meant to say a Dell celeron D 2.8ghz, not a celeron d with p4 lol. I was trying to figure out what was so damn funny. hehehe. human error lol