"Always On" DRM Idea gets more publishers.

[Phxprovost]

Dude read this. Then think REALLY hard about your position.

I fail to see what your showing me, i know how much games cost to make and guess what? They waste a shit ton on needless marketing, congrats on spending what was it? like 500 million on marketing MW2?...like every single person on the planet didn't know the game already existed and when it was coming out...but that was money well spent right? Rockstar is another culprit in needless spending

 

[Easy Rhino]

well as usual people are upset at the publishers and not at the pirates. why do the pirates always get a free pass?

 

[Phxprovost]

well as usual people are upset at the publishers and not at the pirates. why do the pirates always get a free pass?

maybe cause the pirates are not the ones directly infecting my pc with needless drms? Lets see, game is release with drm, pirate never even sees drm...i get plagued with it. About the only thing i hate pirates for is the fact that their end product is better then the one i just paid $60 for

 

[TheMailMan78]

I fail to see what your showing me, i know how much games cost to make and guess what? They waste a shit ton on needless marketing, congrats on spending what was it? like 500 million on marketing MW2...like every single person on the planet didn't know the game already existed and when it was coming out...but that was money well spent right? Rockstar is another culprit in needless spending

The reason you knew about that game was because of marketing. Try getting 200 million dollars worth of investors without some "guarantee" their investment is "protected".

maybe cause the pirates are not the ones directly infecting my pc with needless drms?

Oh but they are. DRMs were created because of stupid ass pirates.

 

[Easy Rhino]

I fail to see what your showing me, i know how much games cost to make and guess what? They waste a shit ton on needless marketing, congrats on spending what was it? like 500 million on marketing MW2?...like every single person on the planet didn't know the game already existed and when it was coming out...but that was money well spent right? Rockstar is another culprit in needless spending

you don't live in the real world. not everyone spends their days surfing gaming sites and playing video games. i can guarantee you a very large portion of those sales came from casual gamers who had to see an ad first.

 

[Easy Rhino]

maybe cause the pirates are not the ones directly infecting my pc with needless drms? Lets see, game is release with drm, pirate never even sees drm...i get plagued with it. About the only thing i hate pirates for is the fact that their end product is better then the one i just paid $60 for

the pirates are the reason these kinds of drm exist in the first place. remove all the pirates and you remove all the drm controls. or maybe developers should stop making games for the pc. will that make you happy?

 

[DrPepper]

And the only reason DRM exists is because of pirates so your argument is null. I won't buy something because of DRM but I understand why publishers are going this route.

Piracy has been around before DRM. DRM exists as a way to shut shareholders up and keep them happy.

Do you think they care what we think? Really? If that were the case they would just cease to make games for the PC. They don't need vast conspiracies.

If game companies don't care about us the consumer then they should pay the price.

well as usual people are upset at the publishers and not at the pirates. why do the pirates always get a free pass?

I get upset at the idiocy of the publishers. They surely know that their undefeatable DRM gets cracked within a day maybe 2 and the people who pirate it wont buy it anyway even if had no DRM and was 0.10 cents.

 

[Phxprovost]

I give up, keep on riding the "publishers are only trying to protect themselves while they shit all of the consumer" line all you want, I dont buy games with active intrusive drms and i never will, end of story. If every publisher switches over to this i'll find something else to do with my spare time.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Actually it feels like these companies are exagerrating their loses to piracy to kill of pc gaming because it isn't as profitable as consoles.

Good point. Piracy is not that common really. I buy plenty on steam. Technically that is internet based DRM.

Mailman, you hate the pirates for the greed of corporations. The pirates are the type to not buy the game if they cannot pirate it. You are metaphorically getting spanked by daddy for no mistake of your own yet you blame the guy that pissed off daddy at work and made him lash out taking it out on you. Blame the daddy for not growing up and realizing he is spanking his children for no good reason. Do you understand what I am saying about misdirected hate?

 

[Easy Rhino]

Piracy has been around before DRM. DRM exists as a way to shut shareholders up and keep them happy.



If game companies don't care about us the consumer then they should pay the price.



I get upset at the idiocy of the publishers. They surely know that their undefeatable DRM gets cracked within a day maybe 2 and the people who pirate it wont buy it anyway even if had no DRM and was 0.10 cents.

you're right. they should not even attempt to protect their property. might as well let everyone who wants to play it for free...

I give up, keep on riding the "publishers are only trying to protect themselves while they shit all of the consumer" line all you want, I dont buy games with active intrusive drms and i never will, end of story. If every publisher switches over to this i'll find something else to do with my spare time.

you have every right to abstain from buying from publishers whom you do not agree with. and the publishers have every right to enforce whatever drm controls they want. time will tell how it plays out.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Piracy has been around before DRM. DRM exists as a way to shut shareholders up and keep them happy.

If game companies don't care about us the consumer then they should pay the price.

I get upset at the idiocy of the publishers. They surely know that their undefeatable DRM gets cracked within a day maybe 2 and the people who pirate it wont buy it anyway even if had no DRM and was 0.10 cents.

And what price is that? Theft? That makes you no better than them. However is you belive it or not every time you steal a game you are in fact hurting yourself and others.

I give up, keep on riding the "publishers are only trying to protect themselves while they shit all of the consumer" line all you want, I dont buy games with active intrusive drms and i never will, end of story. If every publisher switches over to this i'll find something else to do with my spare time.

And you know what? As long as you don't steal I can respect that position.

Good point. Piracy is not that common really. I buy plenty on steam. Technically that is internet based DRM.

Mailman, you hate the pirates for the greed of corporations. The pirates are the type to not buy the game if they cannot pirate it. You are metaphorically getting spanked by daddy for no mistake of your own yet you blame the guy that pissed off daddy at work and made him lash out taking it out on you. Blame the daddy for not growing up and realizing he is spanking his children for no good reason. Do you understand what I am saying about misdirected hate?

Greed? ITS THEIR RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY! You have a choice to buy it or not buy it. But what they want to charge gives you no right to steal. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING BUT AIR.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Good point. Piracy is not that common really. I buy plenty on steam. Technically that is internet based DRM.

you are right. my house only gets broken into once a month so i shouldnt really care about it. i will start caring when it happens every week.

Mailman, you hate the pirates for the greed of corporations. The pirates are the type to not buy the game if they cannot pirate it. You are metaphorically getting spanked by daddy for no mistake of your own yet you blame the guy that pissed off daddy at work and made him lash out taking it out on you. Blame the daddy for not growing up and realizing he is spanking his children for no good reason. Do you understand what I am saying about misdirected hate?

you think it is greedy to protect what you own?

 

[DrPepper]

And what price is that? Theft? That makes you no better than them. However is you belive it or not every time you steal a game you are in fact hurting yourself and others.

Price being reduced sales. A tarnished reputation for not caring about the end user. Btw an opinion does make me as bad as a theif.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Price being reduced sales. A tarnished reputation for not caring about the end user. Btw an opinion does make me as bad as a theif.

Sorry Pepper I took it out of context. I thought you were saying they deserved to be stolen from. Reduced sales and such I agree with you on.

 

[DrPepper]

Sorry Pepper I took it out of context. I thought you were saying they deserved to be stolen from. Reduced sales and such I agree with you on.

It's fine. Take for example you buy a car (yes another car metaphor god) and they have a basic DRM of sorts being a lock and alarm but car jacking has become rampant. Thiefs are getting away with free cars etc. So the manufacturers require you to call once an hour to assure them that the car hasn't been stolen. Not the best metaphor but the message is there. They are punishing the wrong people while the targets are not affected at all.

 

[TheMailMan78]

It's fine. Take for example you buy a car (yes another car metaphor god) and they have a basic DRM of sorts being a lock and alarm but car jacking has become rampant. Thiefs are getting away with free cars etc. So the manufacturers require you to call once an hour to assure them that the car hasn't been stolen. Not the best metaphor but the message is there. They are punishing the wrong people while the targets are not affected at all.

And I wouldn't buy the car. Stealing it would never cross my mind.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

you are right. my house only gets broken into once a month so i shouldnt really care about it. i will start caring when it happens every week.



you think it is greedy to protect what you own?

LOL You think low percentage piracy effects corporations like their own house getting broken into? Thank god I didn't drink that cool aid.

It is not greedy to protect what you own. But punishments for pirating are rediculously high. If I have an item worth $50 you steal from me do I get to send you to jail for up to 10 years with a $100,000 fine? Nope, but with intellectual property law the wealthy can.

The moment protections can make it so a purchaser cannot use a product they better accept the return for free and warn of the intrusive DRM at the point of sale. Something they would never warn of to individual customers because that could decrease sales.

 

[DrPepper]

And I wouldn't buy the car. Stealing it would never cross my mind.

Indeed that's what I wish the market would do. That manufacturer would be forced to remove such issues and address the problem, the theives.

 

[TheMailMan78]

LOL You think low percentage piracy effects corporations like their own house getting broken into? Thank god I didn't drink that cool aid.

It is not greedy to protect what you own. But punishments for pirating are rediculously high. If I have an item worth $50 you steal from me do I get to send you to jail for up to 10 years with a $100,000 fine? Nope, but with intellectual property law the wealthy can.

The moment protections can make it so a purchaser cannot use a product they better accept the return for free and warn of the intrusive DRM at the point of sale. Something they would never warn of to individual customers because that could decrease sales.

Yes. Stealing is illegal and the fine you are referring to is only in extreme cases. Thats the MAX penalty and I think it needs to be enforced more. If it was we would have WAY less pirating. Also DRM is on the box. Don't blame the publisher because you didn't read.

Indeed that's what I wish the market would do. That manufacturer would be forced to remove such issues and address the problem, the theives.

Thats simple. Stop making games. Thats the only way to stop pirates. No I rather deal with DRMs then never game again.

 

[Easy Rhino]

LOL You think low percentage piracy effects corporations like their own house getting broken into? Thank god I didn't drink that cool aid.

stealing is stealing. stop rationalizing it.

It is not greedy to protect what you own. But punishments for pirating are rediculously high. If I have an item worth $50 you steal from me do I get to send you to jail for up to 10 years with a $100,000 fine? Nope, but with intellectual property law the wealthy can.

agreed. but that is a problem with the law, not with publishers including DRM.

The moment protections can make it so a purchaser cannot use a product they better accept the return for free and warn of the intrusive DRM at the point of sale. Something they would never warn of to individual customers because that could decrease sales.

when you buy a game you agree to the terms of use. you can easily find these terms in the packaging of the game or in an online ToS if you buy it digitally. so essentially when you buy it and install you are knowingly and willing subjecting yourself to the DRM controls. it is up to you the consumer to do your homework on that.

 

[DrPepper]

Thats simple. Stop making games. Thats the only way to stop pirates. No I rather deal with DRMs then never game again.

Not an option. Only viable option is to cut off the source of distribution.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Not an option. Only viable option is to cut off the source of distribution.

Internet? Good luck on that.

 

[niko084]

How about we all wake up and simply boycott ANYTHING that has DRM, simple either close your business or deal.

We wouldn't have to deal with half this crap we deal with.

Boycott doesn't mean jack to people these days, they just bend on over and take it.
So let it continue until these companies make you pay by the hour to play the game, because they can and they will and people will pay.

Run lemmings run!

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On another note, who wants to start a game development company and market on the simple fact you DON'T use DRM, I'll bet it would work

 

[DrPepper]

Internet? Good luck on that.

Internet is based on servers. TPB, Demonoid etc. If they're taken out then piracy will drop to acceptable levels.

 

[Easy Rhino]

in the end it is up to the consumer to decide what drm or piracy controls they feel are acceptable. only buy from publishers whom you agree with. it is really that simple. the more consumers boycott these types of controls the more the publishers will have to find a better way. but don't go giving the pirates a pass. they are the reason these controls exist.