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AMD Accuses Ex-Staff of Leaking 100,000 Documents to NVIDIA

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. Rahmat Sofyan

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    Ahhh see, that's more clearly :)

    thanx sir.
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    How do you lose electronic data in a tech company. What did he do? Copy it to a USB and delete the original?
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    must be: sudo apt-get install incremental_search-and-backtrace_backup-filewiper_pro
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    Can't Nvidia be culpable in the fact that they may well receive and profited from what is stolen property. Especially if they have or looked at actual documents that are marked as confidential for only internal use. Most companies in such situation say just say, “tell us what you know”… don't need or want to see the actual proof.

    First you get these guy to feel there’s no way out, then they tell AMD Lawyers who at Nvidia had taken control of such files for a plea-bargain, and AMD's on their way…
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    There is also a more ethical and civilized way to deal with such situations:

    "In May, PepsiCo told Coca-Cola that it had received a letter from a person calling himself "Dirk" offering "very detailed and confidential information" about Coke's products for a fee, according to the DOJ press release.
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    A PepsiCo spokesman said that the company was pleased to be of assistance in the investigation. :
    'We did what any responsible company would do," said the spokesman. "Competition can be fierce, but it must also be fair and legal.'"
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    Any one who buys this type of info should be held in criminal contempt as well!
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    Assuming Nvidia did so. If a suit is bought against the company then I guess that would be the case. Given the litigation history that AMD and Nvidia have been involved in in the past I'm not sure that Nvidia would either take the risk, or if they did, leave themselves a deniability option....especially for ex-AMD Business Managers (an oxymoron if ever there was one).
    I'd have thought if there was a chance that Nvidia as a company could be proven to hold AMD propriety documents, then the suit and destruction of evidence injunction would have covered them also.

    Look on the bright side, at least the AMD employee wasn't taking sensitive information out of the country this time.
    You'd have thought that:
    1. Nvidia would have offered better advice than to tell them to use AMD office machines to run searches comprising " How to copy / delete large numbers of documents" (see page 5 of the civil suit), and
    2. Whats the net worth of having details of AMD's business strategy ? AMD's roadmaps change more often than traffic lights.
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    My thoughts exactly. Probably during the years he just leaked a lot of digital docs through his ipod/iphone/flash,etc with a lot of ease.
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    If the allegations are true I hope AMD files criminal charges in addition to the pending civil complaint.
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    as an example of how this stuff could have played out:

    some of these documents show that AMD is struggling to fix their micro stutter issues.

    Nvidia staff member sees this, pushes third party websites to test to 'prove' that nvidia offer smooth gaming.


    nvidia didnt steal the data, or do anything with it - but they used the information to push sales their way for some years to come.


    again just a theoretical example - but how do you sue for maybes and might haves?
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    Hmm yeah, the trade secrets of how not to be successful.

    I don't think nVidia bothered either.
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    AMD already got the temporary restraining order, and will be given access to the three drives it seems were used. So either they idiots destroy them beyond use and face contempt of court, hand them over and face more charges if they have or recover files, or hide and run away.


    Simply amazing how such supposedly "smart" people can be so stupid.


    I can watch users web searches by DNS records, IP address connection and port monitor, and also capture all network activity.
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    AMD trying to fill it's empty bank account ?
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    AMD could request a lesser sentence if they testify in a case against NVIDIA. That's likely why they wanted to sue the individuals first. If they don't find any of the individuals guilty, there's no chance of winning against NVIDIA. Likewise, there's no case against NVIDIA if the ex-employees offered the documents willfully and NVIDIA didn't encourage them in any way.


    They would have sued Intel or NVIDIA for that, not inviduals. They won't get much from individuals.
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    ATI and Nvidia, as well as Intel and AMD have had long standing agreements not to poach the others talent. Google and a few other companies have had these too and when breached come under legal fire.

    Nothing this blatent if true though.


    This is NOT AMD trying to fill its bank, its AMD trying to prevent industrial espionage, sharing or licensing technology or trade secrets is one thing, but theft is just as bad as stealing hard currency.
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    It's all about the money I think.

    and cuz that stupidity, It'll make lot of money too..if AMD can proove the data used by nVidia, but still this too bad if true.
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    It's always about money or at very least some form of personal gain. Not just for leaking information but for suing them as well. I'm just curious to see where this goes.
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    So if someone stole your tax documents and turned them over to a Large Corporation for data mining, you wouldn't want those individuals prosecuted? I'm sorry, but that's insane.

    You can't sue a large corporation when technically, they didn't do anything wrong. Yes, ethically, they were wrong, but they didn't hire these people to go in and steal documents from AMD. If that were the case, then yes, they could sue NVidia. But since that's not the case (as it seems), no, the individuals are responsible for their own actions.

    If you took sensative information from the White House and gave it over to China, you'd be tried for espionage and treason. They wouldn't punish China.
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    Awfully bold statement for someone I'm guessing has never worked for either company. :slap:

    As for the legal aspects, on top of the already mentioned they can have things like residual benefits taken away if there are any, that includes owned shares I'm fairly certain.

    Onto the rest of this, not surprised and yes this does happen all the time with any industry, they just don't catch it all that often.

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