AMD and Intel Announce Settlement of All Antitrust and IP Disputes

[erocker]

I'm sure Intel is accepting donations from those who are afraid they have become poverty stricken. Email them or give them a call. Cheer them up!

 

[Fx]

I'd prepared a longer post than this, but in an attempt to save a flame war and infractions:

You guys need to stop saying 'pocket money' or 'this is nothing to intel', especially the ones recommending economy classes to other members. The EU fine and this payout here represent roughly 43% of Intel's year to date income. Paid out in a 2 month time span. I can guarantee you their accountants are looking for slack in their budget right now.

Now yes, this is their income that's taking a hit, so its over and above their regular operating expenses. However 'Income' doesn't translate into 'money straight into the bank'. A company's profits are used to fund expansions and asset aquisition, more R&D, expanding their work force, extraneous expenditures (fines lol) and many other things. I can also bet you that Intel has a team of monkeys that sit down and earmark this money for uses months in advance. What happens when 43% of their funding pool suddenly gets paid out?

Now this won't sink Intel, but I can guarantee you they felt it.

dont subtley take jabs at me by taking my words out of context. I never said pocket money as in a small amount. it was stated to mean governments pockets as in their bank accounts

 

[inferKNOX]

Man how blind are you this is not a win win for any one of us ! Yes maybe Intel and AMD but for the consumer ? For the person that buys the product ? No you people just don't see it well not yet but you will soon when Intel has to raise prices to recoup the HUGE losses it is me and you that will be paying for this !
And NO YOU are wrong NO one was found guilty they just settled out of court . And NO this is far from the end of story And once them prices stop falling and go the other way maybe then you will see through that AMD green haze you are in . Intel was wrong and they knew yes maybe so I do not care what I care about is how this is all going to play out on the pocket books of the consumer and so far it is not looking all that good .
When the government looses money what do they do ? Raise taxes , what does the oil industry do when they need BILLIONS ???? They raise the price of fuel !! You will see .

You can save all the money you perceive Intel will be robbing you of, by just going to your local store/estore and investing in an excellent new AMD processor and system.
Come on, you know you wanna, and guess what? My processor's max rated temp is only 62degrees Celcius, nice and cool for you.

 

[El Fiendo]

dont subtley take jabs at me by taking my words out of context. I never said pocket money as in a small amount. it was stated to mean governments pockets as in their bank accounts

I guess I can't avoid confrontation if people are looking for it. As far as I can see you never said pocket money, and I'm not sure I understand your explanation.

However your claim that Trickson should take economy classes when I've just provided a detailed reason of why Intel will feel the hit, as Trickson claimed, was the reason for my rebuttal of your statement. There was no subtle jab there.

 

[trickson]

Well taking a huge 1.25 Billion dollar hit is going to hit us just as hard . Maybe not in prices but I can tell you this R&D , work force and new fab plants are going to be looked at with discretion . Heck Intel may have a harder time getting out faster better products to you the consumer . we may have a hard time if Intel has no funds for R&D or new fab plants then I am sorry but we will suffer . Less new tech .
AMD is looking great yes but tell me what advantage is this to us ?
I see this a huge loss for every one . But then again what do I know ? Less cash to work with means less fabrication and less R&D for Intel this is a big loss and AMD will I hope take advantage of this . Maybe they will have the dozer out and you can get one for $1,000.00 Just like they were doing with the Athlon X64 CPU's remember how they were pricing them bad boys out at ?

 

[Fx]

I guess I can't avoid confrontation if people are looking for it. As far as I can see you never said pocket money, and I'm not sure I understand your explanation.

However your claim that Trickson should take economy classes when I've just provided a detailed reason of why Intel will feel the hit, as Trickson claimed, was the reason for my rebuttal of your statement. There was no subtle jab there.

Trickson wrote,

"But to think this is in some way going to help you in the future is dumb ! No the only ones that have won any thing here is AMD to the tune of 1.25 BILLION dollars !"

"Man how blind are you this is not a win win for any one of us ! Yes maybe Intel and AMD but for the consumer ? For the person that buys the product ? No you people just don't see it well not yet but you will soon when Intel has to raise prices to recoup the HUGE losses it is me and you that will be paying for this !"


your assumption of why I said he needed a class was incorrect...

AMD wins and consumers win even more

 

[inferKNOX]

Well taking a huge 1.25 Billion dollar hit is going to hit us just as hard . Maybe not in prices but I can tell you this R&D , work force and new fab plants are going to be looked at with discretion . Heck Intel may have a harder time getting out faster better products to you the consumer . we may have a hard time if Intel has no funds for R&D or new fab plants then I am sorry but we suffer will suffer . Less new tech .
AMD is looking great yes but tell me what advantage is this to us ?
I see this a huge loss for every one . But then again what do I know ? Less cash to work with means less fabrication and less R&D for Intel this is a big loss and AMD will I hope take advantage of this . Maybe they will have the dozer out and you can get one for $1,000.00 Just like they were doing with the Athlon X64 CPU's remember how they were pricing them bad boys out at ?

Oh please, things are nowhere near that dire. In fact it's Intel that asking for some pretty pennies right now with things like their chipsets.
As I said, AMD is waiting with a shoulder to cry on and plenty of love, just for you!

 

[HalfAHertz]

Well taking a huge 1.25 Billion dollar hit is going to hit us just as hard . Maybe not in prices but I can tell you this R&D , work force and new fab plants are going to be looked at with discretion . Heck Intel may have a harder time getting out faster better products to you the consumer . we may have a hard time if Intel has no funds for R&D or new fab plants then I am sorry but we suffer will suffer . Less new tech .
AMD is looking great yes but tell me what advantage is this to us ?
I see this a huge loss for every one . But then again what do I know ? Less cash to work with means less fabrication and less R&D for Intel this is a big loss and AMD will I hope take advantage of this . Maybe they will have the dozer out and you can get one for $1,000.00 Just like they were doing with the Athlon X64 CPU's remember how they were pricing them bad boys out at ?

You mean back then when EVERYTHING PC related was more expensive? Now 4 years later everything has droped down in price except Intel's top offerings, which still go for the same 999$ price ...

 

[erocker]

Well taking a huge 1.25 Billion dollar hit is going to hit us just as hard . Maybe not in prices but I can tell you this R&D , work force and new fab plants are going to be looked at with discretion . Heck Intel may have a harder time getting out faster better products to you the consumer . we may have a hard time if Intel has no funds for R&D or new fab plants then I am sorry but we will suffer . Less new tech .
AMD is looking great yes but tell me what advantage is this to us ?
I see this a huge loss for every one . But then again what do I know ? Less cash to work with means less fabrication and less R&D for Intel this is a big loss and AMD will I hope take advantage of this . Maybe they will have the dozer out and you can get one for $1,000.00 Just like they were doing with the Athlon X64 CPU's remember how they were pricing them bad boys out at ?

Intels market cap = $110,000,000,000 Nope, it's not going to make one bit of difference. Nice story though. The reasons Intel is giving AMD 1.25 billion is because they were hurting all of us. This is a small step in making it right. Intel played dirty. Now it's all better.

 

[El Fiendo]

Trickson wrote,
"But to think this is in some way going to help you in the future is dumb ! No the only ones that have won any thing here is AMD to the tune of 1.25 BILLION dollars !"
"Man how blind are you this is not a win win for any one of us ! Yes maybe Intel and AMD but for the consumer ? For the person that buys the product ? No you people just don't see it well not yet but you will soon when Intel has to raise prices to recoup the HUGE losses it is me and you that will be paying for this !"

your assumption of why I said he needed a class was incorrect...

He states they'll charge more, which Intel is free to do. They currently lead the market in performance and I see a lot more Intel parts hitting the used boards than AMD which hints at a much greater Intel market. They may lose some sales of people who decide to go AMD, but I bet you they'd retain a vast market at a higher price point.

Of course you forget that it probably won't be price raises that they use, but rather they'd likely delay price cuts on their line up. And as long as they lead the market, they have the power to do this.

 

[trickson]

Yeah and when the only new tech is coming out of AMD and Intel is stuck because they have lost 1.25 BILLION bucks just how is this to be of benefit to US the consumer ?
I am sorry I just don't see this as a " good thing " for any one . But what is done is done and I only hope that this will not hurt Intel's R&D as if there is only one place able to deliver high end fast CPU's that we want we will end up paying more for them . I know AMD was doing this for years ! I payed $500 bucks for the 4000+ .

 

[inferKNOX]

Yeah and when the only new tech is coming out of AMD and Intel is stuck because they have lost 1.25 BILLION bucks just how is this to be of benefit to US the consumer ?
I am sorry I just don't see this as a " good thing " for any one . But what is done is done and I only hope that this will not hurt Intel's R&D as if there is only one place able to deliver high end fast CPU's that we want we will end up paying more for them . I know AMD was doing this for years ! I payed $500 bucks for the 4000+ .

Dude, your reaction is not proportional to the cause here.
What do you do when your car gets a flat tire, jump out running and screaming, "IT'S GONNA EXPLODE AND KILL US ALL!!"?
I take back what I said, if your store is charging you that much for AMD stuff, it's most probably one of the ones paid off by Intel, so go around the block to the next one. Or in the case of an estore, google again.

 

[Fx]

He states they'll charge more, which Intel is free to do. They currently lead the market in performance and I see a lot more Intel parts hitting the used boards than AMD which hints at a much greater Intel market. They may lose some sales of people who decide to go AMD, but I bet you they'd retain a vast market at a higher price point.

Of course you forget that it probably won't be price raises that they use, but rather they'd likely delay price cuts on their line up. And as long as they lead the market, they have the power to do this.

Intel is already aggressively pricing their CPUs that are comparable in performance to AMD's AND they are already charging premiums for their top dog performers

what are they gonna do? raise their pricing even higher? I think not- that would be shooting themselves in the foot...

this 1.25 billion is a minor speed bump to Intel and hardly affects them in the grand scheme of things. they are going to have to suck it up and move on

 

[trickson]

Intel is already aggressively pricing their CPUs that are comparable in performance to AMD's AND they are already charging premiums for their top dog performers

what are they gonna do? raise their pricing even higher? I think not- that would be shooting themselves in the foot...

No but they can sure stop R&D , fab plants and employing personal !

I fear this is going to make Intel stagnant , I don't really care one way or the other but when you pop a tire it is far easier to fix it than when you lose 1.25 BILLION dollars . Just some thing I see as not so good .
Intel did the evil deed and yes they are going to pay . But there is some whiplash waiting in the wind I fear from this . Lets just hope that Intel has learned a lesson .

 

[inferKNOX]

No but they can sure stop R&D , fab plants and employing personal !

This is helping AMD live to fight another day and you're unhappy that this might slow down Intel from getting bigger!?

But there is some whiplash waiting in the wind I fear from this . Lets just hope that Intel has learned a lesson .

Doubtful, very doubtful.:shadedshu

 

[TheLaughingMan]

I will just say I am glad to see them stop posturing about these issues. I am sure the money will help AMD as well as the lack of need for those legal teams will help both companies.

 

[trickson]

This is helping AMD live to fight another day and you're unhappy that this might slow down Intel from getting bigger!?

Doubtful, very doubtful.:shadedshu

No I am worried that this will slow things down and cost me more . If that is too much sorry but some one some were some how is going to feel this and it might not be now or even 1 year from now but some day this is going to become the whiplash I was fearing .

If you take that huge amount away from one and give it to some one els there still remains the fact that 1.25 BILLION dollars are gone from one and that is going to hurt .

 

[El Fiendo]

Intel is already aggressively pricing their CPUs that are comparable in performance to AMD's AND they are already charging premiums for their top dog performers

what are they gonna do? raise their pricing even higher? I think not- that would be shooting themselves in the foot...

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Of course you forget that it probably won't be price raises that they use, but rather they'd likely delay price cuts on their line up.

Would not apply to price cuts if the price cuts happened before the fines. I could see them delaying price cuts in the future (after the fines happened, meaning they're now working it into their budget) and the best part for the business is the consumer doesn't know the difference. As long as Intel has a performance edge, they've got leeway.

Here's something to remember guys:

The goal of the CEO and other board members is to keep the company as profitable as possible. They answer to the people who own stock in their corporation. They want to keep the company as profitable as can be. They retain their jobs based on the share holders views of their actions. Black looks a lot better on paper than red, so I could see them taking measures to increase the amount of black seen on paper.

All I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that kind of stuff. It doesn't affect me anyways as I buy 95% of my products at vastly reduced used pricing.

 

[erocker]

FUD. It's not just a website. Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Don't give in to it.

 

[Fx]

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Would not apply to price cuts if the price cuts happened before the fines. I could see them delaying price cuts in the future (after the fines happened, meaning they're now working it into their budget) and the best part for the business is the consumer doesn't know the difference. As long as Intel has a performance edge, they've got leeway.

Here's something to remember guys:

The goal of the CEO and other board members is to keep the company as profitable as possible. They answer to the people who own stock in their corporation. They want to keep the company as profitable as can be. They retain their jobs based on the share holders views of their actions. Black looks a lot better on paper than red, so I could see them taking measures to increase the amount of black seen on paper.

All I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that kind of stuff. It doesn't affect me anyways as I buy 95% of my products at vastly reduced used pricing.

you bring up a good point but delayed price cuts arent going to tremendously affect the consumer and it will only help AMD remain competetive...which helps consumers in the long run

 

[Fx]

I will just say I am glad to see them stop posturing about these issues. I am sure the money will help AMD as well as the lack of need for those legal teams will help both companies.

good point. saved money is made money

 

[El Fiendo]

True it would increase AMD's price / performance aspect if they do this, and yes it would be better for the consumers. I don't agree with Trickson when he says its bad for the consumers all around, I just don't think its as much of a shrug off for Intel as everyone thinks.

I don't think the CEO and board directors really care what's best for the consumers, unless they can use it to market the product. In this case, I also believe the mindset of the CEO regarding any repercussions of AMD profitability would be 'someone else's problem'. By the time it would show any negatives to Intel, years will have likely passed and a new CEO would likely be in place.

 

[DrPepper]

No I am worried that this will slow things down and cost me more.

If intel products end up costing more than it would have if they didn't give 1.25 billion that doesn't mean your forced to buy them there will be cheaper alternatives if you can't afford intel's $12x10^39 cpu.

The thing is if intel raises prices too high to cover the cost of this then they will be in trouble because they will loose sales so it would be wise to leave it as it is because intel make so much money not just in the desktop front but in SSD sales, chipsets, Servers, OEM sales etc I couldn't list all the things that intel sells.

 

[erocker]

CHAOS KILLA's post has been dealt with. Just a matter of time before it's removed. I suggest everyone ignore it so no more problems become of it.

 

[Kantastic]

Good.

(Not to CHAOS's posts, to the end of the legal crap.)