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AMD FX 8 Core and 4 Core Processor Systems Seen Running at E3

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  1. arroyo

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    The battle between Sandy Bridge and Bulldozer is all like a battle between super cars:

    - Every super car is fast, some of them are faster than others (SB vs Phenom II)
    - Price does not scale with performance (old i7 vs SB)
    - Some people like Porsche and some Ferrari even if they know that Ferreri is faster (AMD vs Intel)
    - With speed over 200+ Mph performance does not make any difference for the driver (3,5GHz+)

    To summarize it:
    I will buy Bulldozer instead Sandy Bridge even if it will be slower just because I like Porsche :D
     
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    trickson OH, I have such a headache

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    Again thing is there is no real tests being done on the BD at all . Nothing concrete so right now it is all speculation and hype . TO say that this is a Porsche would be more like hopping it is at this point . I guess I have a ford pinto then ?
     
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    Yes, but it is a Pinto with a v8 and a blower ;)
     
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    its not broken :banghead:
     
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    yeah i know, that was my point
     
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    whats with all this talk about hype? AMD is being very tight lipped about BD at least performance wise.. i think they may be doing almost the complete opposite of what they did with phenom, not making any promises or hyping it up until release.
     
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    The dude has a point....so back to the jerkin and wait for the benches!!
     
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    Well, with the Phenom I launch, we had Leslie Sobon hyping 3 GHz CPUs that never materialized. I think they learnt from that mistake, because many users, that I could tell, held off on buying, waiting for that product to materialize. I know I personally did.

    Instead, what we have this time is fairly good info on core design, a tidbit of memory support(1866 MHz), and backwards compatibility for existing sockets(although there are some things that won't be available on older chipsets).

    This seems like a fairly standard launch to me, and a good one, at that. AMD and thier partners have shown they are listening to enthusiasts this time around, and while it would be nice to have Bulldozer bulldoze the competition, even at the top end, I am far more concerned, personally, with how the performance will fit in price points compared to the other options already on the market. If, say, for $200, and $300, they offer more @ stock performance levels, I will have no choice but to declare Bulldozer as a success...

    I keep thinknig of the story of the tortise and the hare. Good ol' floppy ears was fast, for sure, but the slow and steady shellback won the race in the end.
     
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    amd planned phenom ii to scale up to 10ghz so they must always be a bit optimistic when they design these things
     
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    I think they are doing this for a reason , Like the Phenom days when there release was almost silent , because of the Performance ? I am not sure but I think if AMD had a real killer CPU here they would spouting off and dancing around benchmarks . But time will tell if BD is a real Bulldozer and not a Big Disappointment ! I hope to see some real action not just some kid in China testing out a fake chip !
     
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    I just had to chime in here, that (and it's been a while so I may be rusty) theoretically as the air is propelled through the case, if the exhaust fan(s) have a higher suction strength than the intake fans, so as to allow the pressure within the case to decrease, the Avogadro's constant would dictate that the number of molecules per unit volume inside the case would be lower than that of the rest of the room.
    That would allow for increased inter-molecular spacing, meaning that for a given volume of air the number of molecules and thus total energy, as held by the molecules, is lower; allowing for a greater gradient between the energy of the heated surface & the air, ie, the air would be essentially cooler.
    So technically Strider's hypothesis, which although is very unlikely here, is plausible.;)
     
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    Wow, where did you ever read that?


    Under LH they do overclock very well, but that claim is just absurd unless you are counting cores by frequency. In that case a quad at 2.5Ghz makes it.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K10
    for those who don't want to read it says that in 2003 AMD announced the next gen of processors would be at 10ghz, and we haven't even got half of that now
     
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    and the fans will still heat the air going over the HS as will the intake fans. it is not possible to lower the temp of air using a fan irregardless to a negative pressure inside of the case.
     
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    I think you're getting Intel & Pentium, mixed up with AMD & Phenom II there buddy.:slap:
     
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    hey i've already posted my Wikipedia quote, thanks for other example of tech companies aiming high and failing badly
     
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    The quantity of heat that the average fan dissipates to the fluid it displaces is generally negligible.
    Bear in mind, though, that I'm just saying that what Strider proposed is plausible and not crazy as you guys seemed to suggest, but I'm not saying it is the case in this scenario.
     
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    Intel announced their belief that they'd get the P4 to 10GHz by 2011.

    http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-121841.html
    http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/intel-predicts-10ghz-chips-by-2011-20000726/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4
    AMD were no-doubt just trying not to look bad by failing to match Intel's claims.
     
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    out of curiosity, does anyone here actually know what the exact ambient temp was in the room, as well as the ambient within the case... because otherwise it is all supposition.
    though it is unlikely that they had the aircon at a setting that would produce an ambient temp of 19°C or below.. just saying... why are we still arguing/disscussing this? o.0
     
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    Sorry, I was late to the discussion, but had to comment.

    BTW, to all those saying there's hype, it's not hype, it's suspense guys...
    Suspense as in Lost, not hype as in Harry Potter movies.:nutkick:
     
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    it is outlandish and impossible. otherwise everyone would just make all the fans exhaust fans.
     
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    No news but they sure got our attention :)
     
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    Probably outlandish, but definitely not impossible.
    The fans required to drop the pressure enough to significantly alter the internal temperature of a case would probably need to have impractically high strength and thus would probably be uncomfortably noisy.
    It remains, however, physically possible to achieve such result.;)
     
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    No it won't the air inside could never reach a level of cooler than that of its intake
     
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    You sir, need to study some physics (perhaps during that self prescribed break you speak of in your sig) before proposing such an erroneous statement.
    That's the last I'll say on the matter.:)
     
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