Discussion in 'Reviews' started by cadaveca, Oct 19, 2012.
Enough said you right.
dude knock it off ok. there was no need to say anymore:shadedshu
Ya I hear ya, I use a Galaxy S 1 as my phone and a 7 year old laptop as my mobile platform and my sig rig at home, Phone definitely needs a fix, the laptop runs skype just fine and doesnt overheat like the new ones on the market
I see the 3570k and the FX8350 at roughly the same price.
3570k = $230 on average
FX-8350 = $220 on average
Proper OC motherboards are roughly the same price too.
So why would you buy a processor like the FX-8350 that uses far more power, and suffers from poor single threaded performance which we use most day-to-day? The multi-threaded performance was roughly equivalent.
*** Why are you guys talking about Apple. lol
That difference will grow in about 2 weeks as the supply chain fills and the FX-8350 prices gravitates toward the msrp which is the natural p[rogression. In a month the difference will be about $30. Remember prices are always inflated at product introductions.
yup initial profits
Also I realize saying far more power is a bit of an overstatement. I should have said considerably more.
if you would put it that way, but ya first thing i noticed from daves review is the power draw is down which is a plus because with that clock ramping can happen on this design/stepping/OPN.
Hopefully they are taking the time, reasearch, quality of the development on test models of SR (IF they have made it tangible prototypes)
So when you ordering yours?? I paid 210.90 on blt.com but it's not in stock, I won't have it in less than 12 days.. I am looking to pay less and get it in the next4-5 days . Anybody got a good source? I almost ordered from Tiger Direct for $205.50 . The economy shipping is 2.99 more, but delivery can take as long as 9 days, so I said no.If you guys no a better alternative, I'll cancel the order at blt andjump at it. I just refuse to pay Newegg the bloated price of 219.99 $25 above msrp. I called to them and bellyached about it. I have been a regular customer of theirs. As an enthusiast I have spent almost $10,00 there in the past 5 years. I told them they were price gouging like they did when Bulldozer was introduced. They blew me off. I'm just a drop in the sea to them.
once things are golden in my life. I was thinking eventually taking my Bros machine i built him last year. Probably wont have PD in it as it has a PII unlocked
What do you mean? How old are you if you don't mind saying.....
check your PM
Re tap water cooling
and i care:shadedshu, im on tpu ,max is the endgame at all times dude, all be it max with what i have, im not calling you for obssesive hardware buying, just the trollin fella,
i am a different end user to you and one you might consider because an fx8350 is right on plan for an upgrade to my system (and many like mine)and i doubt ill be unhappy at 150 notes,,, period, i also dont forsee any issues continuing to run a xfire setup with a physx card and also a pciex ssd, something intel wanted mega money for at the time i rebuilt, and still want proper money for now, id be happier with a better allocation of lanes or manual adjust but ah well.
Bullshit. If trolling was a reason to fired up, you'd have jumped all over cdawall's posting. Some of the of the guys' "facts" come straight out of Fantasia.
Personally, run whatever you want- this is supposedly a tech enthusiast community, and as such, I've not denigrated a single item of hardware in 290+ posts here (unlike some), because my interest is hardware, and not a brand of hardware...probably why I was pretty much certain what PD was bringing to the table some time before launch
Well 8 ghz was broken with the 8350 all modules and cores enabled
You sure about that? Put 2 GPU's on it or stress the memory out and see how well that FSB does. If you want I am sure I can find you a stack of benchmarks showing how well that ones goes.
No kidding you buy Intel I honestly didn't see that one coming.
Except with Z77 and X79 you cannot go buy a brand new CPU every year you will by buying a brand new motherboard as well or can you not see past brand.
What are you trying to get at with this one? You own a P6 design chip which dates back to Pentium 3. It was designed in the middle of single core needs. We are well past that. Software doesn't have to be tailored for bulldozer all it has to do is allow bulldozer to use AVX. Weird how there is a CPUID flag in a lot of programs that block AMD even when it supports the technology. The rest of what you said is fluff.
How about Intel's guide to multithreading that the released for free for everyone to use in hopes to help get programmers to multithread apps or this one were a programmer was cornered by intel. Would you like some more?
That is probably the dumbest argument for why Intel's $100+ don't offer any improvement over AMD's $60 mobo's.
That is already considered a pretty bad review, but figures you would find it. I am quite glad to see a $130 more expensive processor perform better when not only overclocked more, but also using a $50 more expensive motherboard. For $180 I could buy a lot of things to make up for the frames. Like better cooling for a higher overclock, or better video cards that perform better.
What I find most interesting is the 3770K they clocked up hit higher than most at 4.8ghz and the 8350 fell short of every other review out there. Gee I do wonder if that review might possibly have been a bit biased to one side.
SSD caching is available on ONE chipset. Not exactly making headway. AMD also has options for onboard WiFi.
Electrical restriction meaning what? Power consumption or performance? TPU's own review shows negligible difference between 2.0 and 3.0 PCI-e X16
I see we have substantially exceeded yours as has been already pointed out to you quite bluntly already. It isn't all about the bandwidth, but how it is delivered. The number of available lanes is a substantial hamper on crossfire and SLi performance. Hence why people do not want a 16x/4x mobo instead looking for an 8x/8x.
Also if you would like to continue to insulting not only myself, but many other members of this forums I am sure the moderators will have no issues escorting you off of the forums.
The post you quoted is you naming things that you don't think AMD will have I fail to see how that proves anything in your favor.
LOL, thats why this is called a forum...
Don't need them thanks I ran a few myself back in the day. My last two LGA775 systems (the QX9650 w/ HD 5850BE CFX and Q9400 @ 417FSB/no bump in Vcore (1.2375V) /3.33G +EP45-DS4P+ GTX 280SLI/HD 5850 CFX and later briefly, 580 SLI w/SLI hack) were perfectly stable every day they ran
And this is a problem for the enthusiast builder in what way?
I thought it was obvious. I was asking questions.
So Intel CPU design is dead? Well, if it is you can rejoice. Don't save me a pew in your church just yet.
And why is that? Because it doesn't bolster your argument. How about this one:
Better than what??? Maybe you can show me where I said anything about a comparison regarding performance, show me where I disparaged PD's performance. You seem to be making some straw man argument and trying to put forward an idea that AMD are the future and Intel's CPU's don't cut it.
All I've mentioned is a personal choice based on the local resell market (a scarcity/lateness to local market for AMD waterblocks doesn't help the enthusiast here either), and a general opinion of marketability from an OEM standpoint. You're the one with a Go-AMD or go home mentality.
WTF are you talking about? the PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0 article only featured Intel systems.
Well no, actually it's both the chipsets you talked about earlier ( Z77 and likely X79)...
...as well as Z68 and Z75 and H77 and Q77
Must be very prevalent if the only example you could find was a discontinued board. You might also note that my quote was related to what the majority of prospective computer buyers might look for (as opposed to "enthusiasts"). So, if you believe that as a marketing bulletpoint, multithreading is a better drawcard than WiFi, WiDi etc. etc. for the masses...
...then we indeed see marketing for the masses from a different perspective
What it usually means...data I/O
I thought that had been made relatively clear when I mentioned dual-GPU and multi-GPU
SLI isn't available for any motherboard with a x16/x4 lane assignment, and four lanes mechanical/electrical does tend to bottleneck some enthusiast level cards relying on some CPU intensive games. We've (I've) already established that the difference between PCI-E 2.0 x16 @ 16 and PCI-E 3.0 x16 @ 8 is nominal for bandwidth, and favours the 3.0 spec for latency (encoding overhead)
No offense intended, but if I see opinion paraded as fact I tend to note it as such.
The reply was in response to SuperXP. Their assertion being that the PD benches circulating weren't PD but a Bulldozer revision. My assertion was/is that PD is basically a Bulldozer revision (as opposed to a full respin), and as such wasn't incorporating RCM- which, with it's lowering of power envelope was one of the distinguishing characteristics touted between Bulldozer and (the original) Piledriver- a plan that now seems to be a tweak to accelerate PD's entry into the marketplace and possibly leaves room for a second revision should Steamroller be delayed ( by GloFo's 28nm bulk process ramp speed or otherwise).
thank you Lt Sarcasm
Its at least on Z68 and Z77... not sure about P67...So that is at least two. Its a neat feature that AMD should have IMO. Useful for the 'demographic' that posts here and other n00blet home users that want a kick in the arse but cant afford a decent sized SSD. One would think with AMD's crosshairs firmly locked on the bang for your buck crowd, that they would at least attempt to have something similar.
BUt yeah, it just came out from those chipsets so..................I wouldnt expect them to be on any others, LOL!
I tested out memory last night in 3dMark Vantage and 3dMark 11. With 2 7850's and 3770K at 4Ghz (Z77 Mpower), my scored dropped 100 points in 3d11. In vantage it dropped a few hundred. Here is the thing though, in BOTH tests, it lost those points because of the CPU and PhsyX tests. The GPU scores remained the same.
For games, in BF3 and batman, I saw negligible differences (1FPS). So at least with these lower powered cards, it doesnt make a difference at all. I will have 7970's on the test bench here in a few days, and will try that again.
Playa real game, watch minimums. overall FPS does not increase, but minimums do not go as low. And yes, 3dm11 will show same 3d score.
BF3 and batman are real games. Minimums changed negligibly as well in the games....Im thinking its game/card dependent. Perhaps the7850's arent pumping enough data through it to saturate the pipe...
(anyway, not about FX, my bad... we cant yap in PM if you like)
Just a friendly reminder!
ya and that was me being friendly and funny
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