Yeah thats true. I have happy news, I just got to 5.1ghz somewhat stable with all 8 cores! http://valid.canardpc.com/2745229 Theres my CPUz. It's only 1.51v in bios, I'm quite proud of it. I got it to go yesterday but then couldn't get there again. I think my water was a bit warm, its amazing the difference it makes between semi-stable at 5.1 and not even being able to boot at 4.8 with a 5c difference in water temps. If it's around 25c it stays stable, but if it gets close to 30 it cant keep the CPU quite cool enough it seems. Edit: Hey, I have a question that might seem kinda silly; what bios option is supposed to enable the CPU to downclock at idle? I thought it was cool n quiet, but that doesn't seem to change anything. Neither does C1E. So I was wondering if I could have inadvertently enabled/disabled something else that could have an effect?