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AMD FX "Vishera" Processor Pricing Revealed

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  1. HumanSmoke

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    I honestly don't think there's any difference. Vishera seems to be a C0 revision Bulldozer. As with any new process node, you'll get refinement in design and better execution in silicon as the process matures.
    Piledriver = Bulldozer C0 = Bulldozer revision 2.
    I doubt you'll see anything that hasn't been documented in other CPU designs tbh (i.e. performance bumps between D0 ES Sandy Bridge and late D2 revision), and I'm pretty sure all new stuff they were supposed to be packing into Vishera, e.g. - the resonant clock mesh tech isn't included.
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    It's all speculation. IMO, Piledriver will gain due to process revision, but with that revision, AMD performed many tweaks and modifications. I mean, 10% to 15% shouldn't be that difficult to achieve with such an architecture. I'll bet most of the gain will come from miner tweaks versus just jacking up the clock rate. But Steamroller will be a completely different story, and that is where we may see AMD come back and challenge Intel on performance per watt and $.
    Yes because you have direct links to official benchmarks. Oh, can you provide us a link ;)
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    Well lets hope they can deliver
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    and im pretty sure the resonant clock mesh is in place as are tweeks optimisations and even some new functions that were not at all on bulldozer, Piledriver is an evolution of BD not exactly the same but done a bit neater or something, they have added a few things.
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    worthless :nutkick:
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    the biggest thing here is AMD obviously learned their lesson... they aren't over hyping PD to be something just freakin awesome out of left field, in fact they are pretty much publicly ignoring PD and talking about SR in all their ventures because THAT is what they are proud of right now. PD is mostly likely C0 BD or something of the sort whereas SR takes what BD was in concept and makes it a reality.

    i just hope SR is AM3+ because i don't want to buy a new board when this is perfectly fine.
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    heck theyve never slashed prices even when AMD had taken the lead in performance during A64 Era.

    You will see another chipset launch for SR, 1090/1070 probably, should incorporate USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt along with PEG 3.0/3.1- considering the way they are talking about it over PD.
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  8. symmetrical New Member

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    Wow AMD didn't learn anything did they.
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    :rolleyes:

    apparently you havent been reading for the last several months.

    :nutkick:

    btw where's your system specs at?
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    More than likely, they're marketing team has done a poor job this time round. Unfortunately AMD's weakness is their marketing and promotion. Believe me, if the marketing budget permitted and they had a strong campaign they would be loud and proud even if it performed like a 1999 Duron.
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    There's a market for everything. Even VIA can make a living with their Nanos.
    Crunching for Team TPU
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    Oh no need for a nut kick. I meant to say they havent learn with their pricing. I used to have an fx-8120. While i liked its desktop performance it was disappointing to me for gaming as it wasnt an improvement on my old phenom ii 965be. I now have a 2600k 4.6ghz and zotac gtx 680.

    I just thought AMD would have priced vishera lower to stay competitive. Then again well see how it actually performs when they release to the public.
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    Why price something lower if it sells higher? Plenty of people are buying the "overpriced" BD chips what makes you think these will be different?

    I will wait until benchmarks pop up of the real thing before I jump to conclusions. I made that mistake once already and received a steaming pile of shit.

    As long as minor tweaks net 10-15% gains and they overclock well I will be getting one. If not my B97@4ghz is chugging along great.
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    I just want to see the numbers myself and a clock for clock comparison because if the PD only has a gain from increasing core clock then its just a BD thats been OCd.
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    Same here, and i also hope that is not just a OC to get the performance increase or ill be very unhappy :(
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    Pricing on these chips is pre-order and is NOT official AMD pricing

    The pricing for pre-orders is NOT official AMD pricing. Why are you guys so unaware of a simple fact like this. Pre-order pricing is always higher than the actual recommended price by AMD. The same thing happened with Bulldozer. The actual post-release pricing will be in the $240's for the FX-8350. It is NOT simply a budget-conscious cpu as the site operator is claiming he obviously buys into the OBR bulls--t. This cpu is 15% faster than Bulldozer on IPC. That is not a guess it is a fact. AMD stated this months ago. This cpu will be faster than I7 2600k for multithreaded apps and definitely be a close competitior to the I7 2600k in gaming. Objective benchmarking will NOT be available until after the release date. I expect this chip to be the best high performance bargain cpu in the market. Intel will have nothing to match up against it within $60 higher in price. They will be forced to lower 2600K pricing and I do not think that will work when the facts are out. This is the beginning of AMD's turnaround . Together with the Trinity APU's Intel is definitely going to lose market share.
    When Steamroller comes out at the same time as Hasbeen in 2013 I see the end of Intel domination being in the not too distant future. AMD should make huge inroads into the portable (laptop) market and the desktop is coming soon after. Bye bye Intel fan boys!



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    welcome to TPU ,you do reallise your sounding like an Amd fanboi though dont you:p

    Intel will definately loose market share in the future but not just to Amd, and i share your optimism however suggesting that because Amd said it Will be 15% faster, that it definately will be is silly, as they like intel have misslead in the past,
  18. faramir New Member

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    Here they are:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-2.html

    This is Trinity (Piledriver-based) versus Bulldozer with 2 modules disabled. As you can clearly see even Piledriver with no L3 cache beats Bulldozer in single- and multi-threaded tasks at same clockspeed (= better IPC).

    Note that Vishera is going to feature L3 cache, missing in Trinity, hopefully improved from the somewhat botched up Bulldozer implementation, bringing performance further up. Then there's the matter of higher clocks at same TDP (more than 10% improvement over Bulldozer).

    All in all Vishera is looking to be exactly what Bulldozer should have been last year - about 20-25% faster.
    Super XP and HTC say thanks.
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    That looks pretty good!

    Didn't AMD promise something on the order of 30% better IPC? If so, with the increased clock speed, that would make these products competitive for a change...

    And, wasn't there a 10-core variant in the works? Where's that?
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    Not sure but i think you're confusing the A10-5X00 with it having 10 cores.
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    Not for a single step - they suggested that each step (i.e. from Bulldozer to Piledriver, from Piledriver to Steamroller and from Steamroller to Excavator) would bring a 10-15% improvement. Here's the diagram that has been posted on many sites:

    http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com...Gen-FX-Series-CPUs-to-Arrive-in-Q3-2012-3.jpg
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    Yes, you are right, Piledriver was suppose to be 10-Core. But that was with the old management and the old road maps. Now I would expect Steamroller to offer at least one 10-Core CPU along with a bunch of 8, 6 & 4 core CPU's.

    You mean Lightning Bolt :D
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/5413/amds-lightning-bolt-low-cost-thunderbolt-alternative-for-usb-30dp
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    Now you deserve a :nutkick:

    When Bulldozer was announced at $245 for the FX-8150, stupid retailers priced it at least $279-$299. They are going to do the same thing for Vishera. And you are stating all this mumbo jumbo on what? Speculation? Hopes? Dreams?

    The same type of attitude when Bulldozer was launched.

    Don't set yourself up for disappointment is all I am saying.

    Wait until real performance benchmarks are out before making any type of claims.
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    I'll bite;

    People are aware how it works, but the fact is BD CPU's were marked up something like 10-20% when they first launched because they were new and exciting and if I recall the initial shipments were pretty small so retailers wanted to maximize profits. The original "AMD Price" for BD CPU's was substantially lower than most people who bought them immediately paid. Most of the super marked up BD CPU's were also on sketchy sites from like Romania, this one seems to be a bit more legitimate.

    The same OBR who was shamed for saying Bulldozer would perform worse than Phenom II when applications used 4 or less threads and everyone ridiculed him saying it was impossible? OBR is definitely hit or miss, but saying he is completely bullshit when he was spot on with Bulldozer is foolish. As for the site operators, I've seen plenty of instances where bta/wiz ignore stories everyone else is reporting on because they use objective reasoning rather than just posting whatever the hell they think will get hits.

    Well if AMD's Grade A marketting team said it, it must be so. The same people that showed the FX Series crushing Intel CPU's in gaming during countless presentations have never been wrong (hint--sarcasm).

    It needs to be on par with the i7-2600k when it comes to gaming, and BD already edges out the Core CPU's when the conditions are perfect (AMD approved instruction sets are usable and it uses 8 threads). The problem with BD was that it could offer comperable performance, but needed to be OCed and devoured power while running quite a bit warmer than Intel offerings at the time. I find it troubling that you see nothing wrong with the fact that AMDis happy to be almost 2 years behind Intel at all times. The i7-2600k is nearing EOL, and Intel will probably lower the prices naturally to clear out stock.

    I disagree. Where Intel may lose Market Share due to APU's, you're ignoring their Ace In The Hole--Mobile CPU's. Intel's Medfield, their first entry into the Cell Phone market, was substantially better than expected, and showed that x86 was just as capable as ARM. If Intel has shown anything, it's that with a process shrink and some tweaking they can give surprisingly huge improvements, and I think they are poised to make a huge impact in that market, which is much larger than the laptop market is. AMD still has no plans for manufacturing processors for mobile phones or tablets, which means they are missing out on a massively lucrative market.

    Steamroller will probably not be out until the end of 2013 or even as far as early to mid 2014. Haswell will be a huge performance gain considering it's an architecture change rather than a refinement. I imagine at least as big of an impact as Sandy Bridge had, and probably the beginning of Intel switching to adding more cores for entry level CPU's (probably offering only Quad-Cores on 1150, but 6-8 cores on the high-end platform). All of that aside, everything indicates Piledriver will be more of a refinement than an overhaul, and that Steamroller will be a much large performance gain. I think per-thread performance on high end Intel offerings will still be greater than the highest end Vishera offering, and Haswell will launch quite a bit earlier than Steamroller giving Intel the price/performance edge they have kind of slid into since Sandy Bridge.
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    Tired of garbage being posted by anti AMD Intel know-nothings.

    I can live with that but then the Intel crowd should be muzzled they are extremely obnoxious in my opinion. Tom's Hardware analysis of trinity lays credence to the fact that Vishera CPU's should also have a 15% increase in IPC as AMD has claimed.

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