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AMD Readies Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, May 7, 2012.

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Do you think HD 7970 GHz Edition can make HD 7970 attractive again?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. For me it never lost attractiveness

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  1. D007

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    I thought we like banned the words "fan boy".. Well.. we should..lol..

    I just want accurate numbers. Nvidia and Ati, don't pay me to advertise. I just had a 5850 but I want to try the 680.. green or red? idc.. honestly..

    This "out of stock" issue, with the 6 series, is f'n dumb though..
    To me, it simply makes sense, to want Ati, to have a card, as good or better, than Nvidias line.
    Consumer wins.. That's all I care about..
    Amazes me, how worked up, people get over this stuff.

    I hope the new line, kicks ass and everyone who has a card, they pay top dollar for, enjoys it. Preferrably, without coming back, the the forums, to say "ahahaha your drivers are messed up", or something equally rude..
    7970 is still, a great card, at an attrative price.
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    I'm thinking the price cut had less to do with what the GTX680 did, while yes AMD knew by the first days of April Nvidia would have issues keeping the pipe at anything more than a trickle, why sweat it.

    I see AMD as more anxious with their problems with TSMC, quality production from TSMC and yields/volumes was their reason for trepidation. I mean TMSC started delivering first rate production probably the end of Feb, but I'm sure AMD wait to see if they were out of the woods. Consider if TSMC couldn't repeat on the improved process, that original price was could maintain strong margins. Once that was sorted out and AMD found 1GHz where as designed and strong numbers, they’d wanted to cut inventory of the original 925Mhz parts so they don't peeve-off those who bought back Feb-March time frame. I see them setting 1Ghz version at a $480-500 MSRP and see what the market reacts like; GTX680 inventories and what the outcome of other GK104 parts might produce.
     
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    I bet about 1-2% of buyers actually buy a mainstream GPU for GPGPU processing. The other 98-99% buy GPU's for gaming. So that argument is pretty much invalid. If the majority of people actually gave a crap about GPGPU processing, the 7970's should be the ones selling out and not the 680's.

    Are there any 680's in stock anywhere?
    No.
    You know why?
    Because gamers are buying them to play games, not to fold all day.
     
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    No because production was prioritized for AMD to begin with. They are selling out is because the quantity is so low. Very little supply.
     
  5. Vulpesveritas

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    Said 1-2% of buyers are going to make up 75%+ of the users who are likely to run their PC folding in their spare time, or bitcoin mine, as the other 98-99% don't build their own PC and get whatever is the best prebuilt they can find in town, or order off of the internet. Not many prebuilts will come with the top-end-of-top-end cards.
    And the reason their not in stock is that Nvidia didn't get TSMC priority. People want to buy them when their in supply. Those that are in supply for the most part are overstocked and make the 7970 an even better deal than it is, as price / performance it is even with the 680 where it's sitting right now.
    Plus, if more games utilize GPU computing in the future, then the Civilization V results will make the 7970 a better option, although I have a feeling it won't be common until after this batch is obsolete. Still a move in the right direction though.
     
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    In what world would AMD have priority over Nvidia? Plain and simple Nvidia had more issue then just the normal TSMC 28Nm process those where bad, but might also be complicated by the HG HkMG process they choose to design with, along with other architectural faux-pas. Somehow it’s AMD fault... :roll:
     
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    Because AMD placed orders first and got dies before nvidia perhaps? :laugh:
    Though the process may also be a contributing agent.
     
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    If nVidia could get enough wafers in the first place, they wouldn't be shopping around for 28nm from places other than TSMC. That's what he is refering too...AMD and others have already bought all of TSMC's 28nm capacity, so AMD is seen as the priority. AMD had their chips done and ready first, and without much issue, so yields, on TSMC's part, are perfectly fine. If it was a matter of needing to change design, Nvidia would have done so, so the idea that there are problems with NV's GK104 chip design seems incorrect.


    If nVidia wasn't looking elsewhere for wafers, and if TSMC's partner's weren't all gushing about how good 28nm @ TSMC is, then you'd have a possible valid point, but with those facts in hand, it does not seem that you do.

    It's not that AMD is at fault..Nvidia simply failed to realize and purchase needed supplies in time. Now they have a launched product they cannot keep on shelves, and no way to get more chips...pretty basic stuff here.


    http://www.electronicsweekly.com/bl...r-blog/2012/04/28nm-continues-to-perplex.html
     
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    First in line first to get severed... Whiner's got to Whine.

    They're not newcomers they knew if they got the GTX680 the way the wanted to turn out it would fly off shelves. Yes back end of Nov-Dec when Nvidia figured out they could move on the GTX680, they where late getting in line. AMD had orders in the hoper and then mid-late Jan TSMC had the shut-down, which best guess was they didn't really start-up until after the Chinese New Year.
    As I said if Nvidia is having problems they're not because of AMD, while Nvidia's problem are way more than a couple of weeks old... it start when the GK100 went south in October.
     
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    Sure, AMD has nothing to do with this, other than this revision of the HD7970 proving that any issues that nVidia has is their own.

    Design problems, failing to secure enough wafers, or TMSC problems don't really matter. All I can say is that in my post above, we have Jen Hsun Huang claiming yield issues, yet on Nvidia's website, the exact opposite is claimed. Since Nvidia can't get their story straight, of course it's all their fault.



    TMSC 28nm is doing very well for AMD. They actaully seem to be doing pretty good all around, actually. FX CPUs may not be at hte perforamcne levels most expected, but they still sell, even with Intel offering more CPU performance in the same price range. GTX doesn't out-strip HD7970 like iNtel Beat AMD's CPUs, so clearly AMD's on the right track, and nVidia is not.


    Anyway, I do not believe that GK100 exists, so anything pertaining to it I do not even pay a bit of attention to.

    Time wil lshow if these GHz edition GPUs are the same votlage as first cards, or if they get a voltage boost...until I fidn that out, none of this is very important, IMHO. Interesting, but not important.
     
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    At least one might be in this man's hands.

    "Opening Keynote - May 15 @ 10:30am PT

    NVIDIA CEO and co-founder Jen-Hsun Huang will kick off the conference with the opening address. He'll review the dramatic and growing impact of GPU technology in science, industry, design and many other fields.

    And, he'll announce some big GPU news that you'll not want to miss.

    For those of you who can't make it in person, we will provide a video livestream from the keynote."

    This will be at GTC. I'm afraid it has nothing to do with gaming.
     
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    On what you said I'm coalescing, no argument here.

    Now Charley isn't any guru for me, but some from this article today, itcoincides with what being discussed... just to warn it's a long read.
    http://semiaccurate.com/2012/05/08/nvidias-five-new-keplers-raise-a-red-flag/
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    OK, but so now Mailman is saying that becuase of nVidia's issues, AMD has been given priority @ TSMC. AMD were ready with a working design to place their order first, and now many months later nVidia has GK104 ready, and Nvidia cannot get enough wafers to meet demand, and must look elsewhere.


    Meanwhile, AMD is seeing a benefit from yield increase, and is launching this faster edition, it is surmised here. But nVidia has not launched GTX670, GTX 660, only older cards, like mentioned @ your link.


    Of course, we can only guess that AMD's early success with their current-gen chip design affected nVidia's ability to buy more wafers, but it does seem to make sense.

    Anyway, going form 925 MHz to 100 MHz on the same votlage technically represents a 7.75% increase in chip quality and efficiency. If we take Nvidia at face value, and yield issue are true for them, the best they can see right now is a 7.75% increase is chip quality, but NOT 7.75% MORE working chips. IF anything, if it truly is better GPUs out fo TSMC without AMD binning for this from earlier wafers, then nvidia realyl si in trouble like Charlie says.


    It's just obvious. And that's why Charlie is uninspiring. Most people can take 1 + 1 + 1 and get to 3. Sometimes he gets 4, sometimes, 3.:laugh:
     
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    You obviously don't read TPU enough: http://www.techpowerup.com/164133/Intel-to-Push-for-Higher-Resolution-PC-Displays-Arrive-in-2013.html

    Yes 4K is a standard but its not used as "THE" standard as 1080P is. You walk into an electronics store and all you see is 1920x1080 now. 1920x1200 used to be widely available at electronics superstores online or not. Plus technology has been around for TV's at 1920x1080 resolution since the late 90's you would think computer resolutions would have improved by much much more since then.

    Once upon a time everyone thought a Riva TNT2 card was the best graphics card you could ever get... I'm sure many cell phones out there have more processing power at cheaper costs. In due time anything can happen.
     
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    because what you want, matters less then what they want to make and sell you and you can get an 8K screen if you have the money, a lot

    roll on new 7970 bench time ;), ah sod it any 8xxx news on the wire
     
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    I dont think its anything wrong with yield/design issues for Nvidia. It sounds more logical that they just cannot get enough chips since AMD and some others have already bought out their entire 28nm stock. I mean you can assume that TSMC is working at and pretty good speed to fullfil orders, but at this point its not enough. I just hope Nvidia can get a healthy stock of GK104s so i can get my Evga SC+ Signature GTX680 in a month :))))))))))))
     
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    Did they? If so, who's fault is that?
     
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    what do you mean whose fault is that? AMD and so on jumped on it got their shit done and bought all the wafers they could. Which turns out to be everything and then some. Now Nvidia is screwed.
     
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    You have a TMSC insider informant?
     
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    go read what Dave has been saying. Ive basically restated what he has said.
     
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    screwed? oh really? :laugh:
     
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    Don't most of the 7970's achieve these clock rates already?

    So's the gtx680! Still waiting :rolleyes:

    It's an AMD conspiracy! They bought every single wafer they could just to screw Nvidia :rolleyes: :roll:

    I want some of that kool - aid hahaha
     
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    Why else would they be going to other corporations for 28nm fabrication? They have this card launched yet they can't fullfil the demand and keep them in stock at retailers. Its been what almost a month since it has launched and still barely any signs of resupply at retailers. Only place ive seen so far that has maybe a few is TigerDirect, and even then you never know if you go to put one in your cart and it says its out of stock. And i know there are 0 at my local Frys.
     
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    who's fault then? :laugh:
    still do you want to blame AMD for this? ;)

    i want to ask you something, why nvidia didnt put their order first at TSMC ? (although they've already had design problems :D)
    and now, their fans begin to blame amd for this~
    this is so funny.. LMFAO :laugh:
     
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    the hd7970 is $479 not 549 get it straight, it WAS 549 on releas
     
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