Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Oct 8, 2010.
Nah I'd give Intel at least another century. Still gotta figure out what dedicated VRAM is .
I might as its a local company lol
On a more related note; if its good for one, its good for all.
To be honest i kind of expected a rebrand at some point but i was expecting it to come at a time where AMD is as far ahead of nvidia as when nvidia was so far ahead of ati that it could easly rebrand cards as in 8800, 9800 etc.
Damn marketing departments, i agree with bill hicks view on them
Works for me either way. Juniper isn't really missing any major features compared to the new chips AFAIK. Why leave it behind.
They probably should have given it a new codename to confuse all of you angry folk though.
Well, I was gonna get a 6870, but seeing as it will be rebagged from the 5000 series, i might just get a 6990, or 2.
This type of strategy perhaps 'tricked' some people but it certainly didn't help Nvidia. I don't know why AMD are copying such strategy - one can't expect to fool everybody all the time - this just reminds me of Aesop's Fable of the Man, boy and donkey... :shadedshu
I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS!!!
(still buys a 67xx card anyway)
Well duh, exactly.
Except for a very small enthusiast community, it certainly did help nVidia. Overall, the rebrands were a great success and for the most part made perfect sense, just like ATi's do.
When basically the entire "new" generation was really the same tech with extra shaders and memory controllers bolted on, with a die shrink or two thrown in, rebranding the old cores to the newer generation when they still fit into the scheme of the "new" generation makes perfect sense.
Most seem to not realize that what they are calling "old tech" is really the same tech, and what they are considering "new generations" are only new generations because ATi decided so. It was obvious from the beginning that nVidia actually had no intentions of moving away from the 8800 generation and naming when they released the G92 cards, but ATi released RV670 under a new generation tricking people into thinking it was a new generation when it was still RV600 tech, they just wanted to get away from the HD2900 stigma.
A few generations ago, a die shrink a new memory controller or two and some extra shaders would not have been considered a new generation...
Good move,5770 had 4870-4890 performance for $140 , one of the best deals on the market, i doubt they could have beat that with a new SKU so i rather have them to keep selling it for another year instead of trying to get 10% more performance and sell the card for $199
i just cant wait till one of the board partners decides to start renaming their old stock of 5770's to 7760's because, hey, they're just a couple of extra shaders, right? Same basic tech. And those numbers mean nothing anyways... numeric naming schemes are for dorks.
where the 8770's at?
Well honestly if they are re-badging the low end 6xxx then it really does make sense as they are damn good performers...and it also means that the high end 6XXX have allot of potential as well and with the slight lead why not take a little breather and work on the series after the 6xxx which I hope will be a badabing badabow chip. Still cant wait to see the benches...Maybe everyone will be surprised.
I, and a lot of other 5770 owners I imagine, look forward to flashing my BIOS so that I can say I still have a current-gen card!
Have they not seen us and others gripe about the green camp doing this? Shoddy and mean.
You need new card stickers to go with that plus an amd radeon case sticker
Sorry but i don't understand what's up with all the complaining. It's not like this hasn't been done before. Several times by both vendors, NV and ATI. And if the price is right, who cares?
It's just a refresh and they essentially both are in the same class. Both are full featured DX11 cards.
If anyone remembers Radeon 9000 series where 9000, 9100 and 9200SE models were in fact rebranded 8500 series (DX8) where 9500 and upwards were in fact newer series (DX9).
Same was with NVIDIA in the old days. GeForce 4 MX and GeForce 4 Ti.
Besides, this is just a refresh, so i really don't know why all of you were expecting something dramatic. The only real question is how will they position them now inside the HD6000 series and what will be the price.
If existing HD5750 and HD5770 replace upcoming HD6550 and HD6570 with a price tag well below 100 dollars, isn't that great? It's still a DX11 hardware just like new 6000 series. However if they aim of rebranding HD5750/5770 directly to 6750/6770, well then that is indeed bad, unless they provide even further price drop. Then, even if the cards are directly rebranded, they could still be an interesting option, mostly because of the massive proce drop. As for the 5800 series or the new 6800, they really have to use new cores as these are their flagship products.
It also makes me wonder how they will position higher end 6800 models, considering old 5800 in fact increased in price in the couple of last months (yeah, the same card i bought few months agoo is now even more expensive instead getting cheaper through time). Either HD6800 series will be damn expensive or we can expect massive price drp on the HD5800 series...
That's only 5700 series will be taken to 6700, that's just filling the gap, this are still 40nm and 6000 series will be unlocked and speed bumped i guess, if not else 5770 will be cheaper too so you can probably re-brand it self to 6770.
I wonder if by now or by the time of the rebrand if AMD could get the 5/6770 clock speeds up, I'm sure if they could bump the clock speed past 900mhz (preferably 1ghz+ ) with some faster ram yet sell for around the same cost as the 5770 it would be a great deal.
Good reason NOT to go any way next round
Why, to me it makes perfect sense, you have a new line whit a planed 66x0, 67x0 and 68x0
Now you are getting silicon back and you find out that the 66x0 dose not preforms as well as you expected but your 67x0 preforms a lot better, now you have a little gap in your lineup, not a big problem but its neither great eider.
But hey you still have the 57x0 series that fits right in to the gap, it still got all the goods the new line got except UVD3.
So what you do, place the 57x0 in the spot of the 67x0 and rename it 68x0 and the planed 68x0 you rename it 69x0.
Leaving the 57x0 name on it just confuses people, and they think when buying a card ''Ehh a 57x0 has to be slower then a 66x0 its a older gen.'' new is always better.
Now in this case i think it is not, but we have to see whats cards are really going to come out.
Is it nice, not really and the imho they should have upgraded the UVD2 to version 3 to make it on par whit the rest of the 6xx0 line, that properly would not have bin a big job, but maybe it could also be impossible due to differences in GPU build up.
But at least its not nearly as bad as renaming DX10.1 cards in a DX11 line, if they done that i would be the first to say, ''this really stinks''
And before anyone thinks i am a ATi fanboy, no i am not a ATi/AMD fan, got just in my rig my 3th GTX480s in SLI, as SLI scales mouths better then CF-X, but have in my HTPC a set of HIS HD 5770 IceQ in CF.
I get what i think gives me the best bang for buck, and don't care if its from team green, red ore blue
I do love to see 6670 beating 6750- the rebranded card ::
nvidia 2.0 tactics
Buuuuuuuhhhh!!! AMD/ATI you guys suck, are guys blind to the wrath of us consumers on nvidias debacle of namerebranding. Now you guys follow the stupid ways of nividia, who was the bright idiot who cam up with that idea?
To use a line from Japanese ero-mangas: "If it's AMD-kun then it's okay...."
Separate names with a comma.