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AMD's HD5970 faster than Nvidia Fermi chip!

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Super XP, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. Super XP

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    Looks like NVIDIA is having a lot of yield & heat problems. NVIDIA will do anything to deny such claims or there stock would drop like rocks which is why they keep re-enforcing that there's nothing wrong with Fermi where in FACT we all know they are having major issues. Hence the many release dates they keep postponing. I was hoping for an earlier release so NVIDIA can help drive prices of the HD 5870 down :D
     
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    Ya, its 20% faster then a HD 5870, wait for the daul 1200-1400 dollar gpu solutions hits the market and is 40% faster then a HD 5970.

    Screw it even if im a nvidia lover, IM NOT PAYING 600 DOLLARS FOR TE 20% GAIN.
     
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    It dosent seem logical at all, sucks if Nvidia has to sell them at a loss to compete
     
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    its fudzilla there the Steven Quincy Urkel of the tech world in terms of information

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    They have gained alot of credibility in the past year..they been over 80% correct on their information i really think people should take them a little more serious. Plus everything he said isnt far fetched and could be most likely true.
     
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    One company is getting 20% yields, while the next company is getting 60-80% yields?

    And they're using the same fab? Hmm. Something doesn't make sense there.

    In any case, what % do you think you will gain from hooking up a second ATI card in crossfire?

    A 20% gain for a single card is quite a bit.

    Yes, I'm aware they go for a more complex solution
     
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    Nvidia's chips are almost 2x bigger than ATI's but suspect Nvidas yields to be atleast 30 to 40%
     
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    Yes something is wrong, NVIDIA’s Fermi chip is a complicated chip, which is the problem. Don’t get me wrong, I admire NVIDIA for releasing monster graphics cards in the past and they seem to be following the same trend with the Fermi chip. But they really are having problems in yields and heat. This new card is supposed to be at least 1.5 x hotter than NVIDIA’s flagship card today.

    We need competition and I know the Fermi will be the card to do that, but I beleive NVIDIA is rushing it because ATI already sold more than 2 million HD 5000's cards. And they are going to sell a dump load more once the HD 5600's and the HD 5500's come on line next week :eek:
     
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    Man!! forgot about this show , what was it call again?
    i just can't remember...?

    EDIT:Found it on Google it's family matters but anyhow thanks! for make me remember that funny show
    BTW:Still would not believe anything from Fudz & the Inquirer ...
     
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    Some might say that but little do people know Fudzilla has industry connections coming out of his aris just like Mike Magee from The Inquirer ;)
     
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    the name of the show would be Family Matters had will smith and a bunch of other ppl not nearly as famous as will smith
     
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    would the transister density of fermi also affect yields? i heard fermi's density is alot greater than RV870's. and i too agree, almost everything fudzilla has said over the past 6months has been very very accurate, and what they've stated would makes perfect sense. I mean it isn't anything most of us haven't thought of from time to time anyways.
     
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    I live about 40 mins away from TSMC. Everyone just wait, I'll go down there and ask them....:laugh:
     
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    O cmon, lol fbi all into it.XD
     
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    Make sure you take your Canon SLR Digital Camera OK, and get the scoop on what’s really going on.

    I’ve heard a rumour that Aliens were involved with Fermi, but for some crazy reason NVIDIA’s CEO Jen-Hsun Huang didn’t like the direction they were taking NVIDIA hence we have all the delays.:laugh:
     
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    Cypress' density: 2.15 billion / 324 sq mm ~= 6.636 million / 1 sq mm
    Fermi: 3.2 billion / (rumoured) ca. 500 sq mm (give or take 20) ~= 6.4 million / 1 sq mm

    So no, Fermi's density is not greater (it's 6.66 if it's 480 sq mm, but I think it will be 500 at least).
     
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    But a bigger area will mean that it has a greater chance of a defect happening. 324/500=0.648, which means Nvidia has a 60% more chance of having a defect on its chip than ATI, if Ati yields are 60%. then Nvidia's chips will hit 24% success rate only, which is in line with the rumors.
     
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    Indeed, there is pretty much a fixed chance of an error occurring during the process, so having a bigger chip is the problem. I think ATi saw that coming and made a very small cypress chip. I'm in no doubt ATi could have made a 3200 shader card instead (the hd5870 is a remarkably cool card when the fan is turned up to 40-60%, even when heavily overclocked) but chose not to in order to avoid the same problems as nvidia. It's wideley assumed nvidia are having heat troubles anyway, something is holding them back, after all. If fermi were god's gift to gpu's and was absolutely perfect in design and function, it would already have come out :p

    But it's not like dx9 games can utilise the 1600 shaders anyway, so 3200 would just be a waste on the load of tripe (dx9 games to be specific) that comes out of the gaming market at the moment.
     
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    And it's not only Fudzilla, yesterday I found an article on Toms Hardware stating about the heat problems of Fermi.
     
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    From what I've seen and heard it smokes Hemlock by 9-12% at this stage, before even their release drivers.

    I remain very hopeful.
     
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    Ehhhhh this looks like an oddly conditioned article. Doom and gloom.
     
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    joke fails Steve Urkel was a dork but also incredibly intelligent and was not known for lying.

    fud on the other hand....
     
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    id explain it but i tried to before posting this and it wasnt possible i lose :toast:
     
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    Its probably more than 10-12% more expensive, so you would be disappointed.
     

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