Another X1950Pro and Power consumption question

[Dippyskoodlez]

But glad it worked in your case, one of the few I've seen, most who do disable pagefile end up with more problems, even if not immediate as Windows and many programs look for it and are designed to use it along with RAM.

Yep. Something like photoshop will likely get pissed off at you.

 

[VeDz]

which version of the HIS card did you get? The Ice Q version? I imagine they run pretty cool anyway.

no, it is not the ice q version those look soo cool! the cooler is quite good, as it dumps the air right into my exhaust fan.

 

[Widjaja]

One more option:-
Return that card for a say a 7600GT AGP, and with the money left over upgrade your CPU as I have found my P4 handled the 7600 I had better than this card.

At the end of the day, the trick is to have a well balanced PC.

I'm going to reinstall woindows this afternoon to see if there is any performance increase as I have seen in forums the P4 3.0 is said to handle this GPU, but then again this was coming from people who haven't tested this theory first hand.

Even with the P4 OC'd to 3.4Ghz, it's still not much of an improvement IMO but none the less it is an improvement.

I'm looking to get no CPU bottleneck performance from this GPU and from what I've researched. . . .

An AMD/AGP motherboard is the only one which can handle this since it can use a much faster CPU than what a 478skt motherboard P4 can.

If not. . . .then the AGP X1950pro is the fastest GPU for AGP which no AGP motherboard can handle.

 

[VeDz]

I had that option in my head. But, then I thought, I am getting the same performance right now with my X1950 Pro in games, that I was getting with my 9600 Pro. So...something is bottleneckingit quite nicely, quite low. I am afraid a 7600GT would also have a bottleneck problem.

Plus, it's Nvidia, no way. j/k

 

[Kursah]

Well, hate to say it, but your best option to get the most out of that card would be to build a new system around it. And if you're going to do that, might as well take it back and get the PCI-e version. Your system is just about perfect for a 9600, but much beyond that, maybe a 9800, is about what you'll be good for.

A faster processor will help, but whether or not it will be up to your expectations....that's the question worth asking yourself.

 

[Widjaja]

I agree with Kursah.
Yes your system at present is suited to the 9600 maybe a 9800.
Or build around it IF you still want to use this card.

Yeah the 7600GT may do the same thing with your system.

I think all of us will be pointing out that damn Celeron.

I think you know by now anyway lol.

 

[Namslas90]

@ VeDz changing your paging file (virtual memory) may give you some performance improvements depending what the are set on now. Try setting it to your ammount of RAM X 1.5 for minimum(1536), and 3X the ram for maximum(3072). As long as it's not greater than 10% of your HDD it should work. Weather or not it helps will depend entirly on the mobo and Ram. However' I must agree with the others about needing to get a better rig or go for the 7600. Your Mobo will support a P4.

 

[Widjaja]

Oh no going to the dark side. . . .Oh well.
Looking at AMD.
The fastest processor avilable for use with this AGP card is either the AMD64 FX60 or the AMD64 X2 4800+

They beat any P4 hands down therefore will not bottleneck this GPU in theory.

 

[Namslas90]

Oh no going to the dark side. . . .Oh well.
Looking at AMD.
The fastest processor avilable for use with this AGP card is either the AMD64 FX60 or the AMD64 X2 4800+

They beat any P4 hands down therefore will not bottleneck this GPU in theory.

For OC go for the FX, unlocked multi's!

 

[Widjaja]

@Namslas
Hows your rig handling your GPU
Any CPU bottlenecking with your X2 3800+?
What is unlocked multi's and how will that improve gaming performance over one without?

 

[Namslas90]

@Namslas
Hows your rig handling your GPU
Any CPU bottlenecking with your X2 3800+?

It's all good, it does everything I need it to. Have had it oc'd to 2.7Ghx, with the X1900XTX, oc'd about 2/3rds. FPS is great, 3dMark06 - 5824 (pretty good for a Gateway),Super-Pi around 58sec (kinda slow, but not bad for 4X512). Can play any/all games at max settings NP. 2x1GB memory would be better, but the price of the mem I got was great($45 a stick). The mobo can handle more, but right now my budget can't. Would like to up it to a X2 4600 and 2X1GB Giel(or so).

 

[Widjaja]

Temptation to go to the darkside getting closer.
I can get a AMD64 X2 4800+ with Heatsink and a ABIT AV8 3rd-eye motherboard with that little LCD ocing unit for a good price!

I think this combo with the GPU & RAM I have aready will give game lag a can of shut the fuck up!

 

[Namslas90]

Temptation to go to the darkside getting closer.
I can get a AMD64 X2 4800+ with Heatsink and a ABIT AV8 3rd-eye motherboard with that little LCD ocing unit for a good price!

I think this combo with the GPU & RAM I have aready will give game lag a can of shut the fuck up!

Sounds like a good choice, Bang for the Buck wise.

 

[VeDz]

I don't really have enough to change my whole comp. If I would be upgrading though, I would be getting a socket 775 motherboard with PCI-E so I can use those amazing C2Ds.

But, too expensive I will just get a P4 in a bit unfortunately. I don't play intense graphic games though, just a few oldies that ran "ok" with my 9600 pro. Now they still run "ok", but obviously one would expect a difference coming from 9600 pro to x1950 pro. I honestly believe a pentium 4 processor will solve the issue.

On Super PI, I get about 1m and 47 seconds. On my AMD 64 3500+, I get around 56 seconds. I heard P4s being in that range also.

Can someone with a P4 here do a Super PI test. Thanks, appreciate all the feed back guys.

 

[hat]

SUPER PI 1M as per request:
Pentium 4 HT 3GHz 800MHz FSB 1MB L2
1GB Crucial Technology BALLISTIX DDR400

 

[Widjaja]

Another Super PI result

P4 3.0E HT @ 3.4Ghz
2x1GB ADATA DDR400 Dual Channel @ 460Mhz

1m test 39sec

Still haven't re-installed windows to see if there is any change
Procrastination.

 

[VeDz]

Those results are really good I think. I don't think the P4 will be a bottleneck. Although, it may have something to do with the Hyper Threading. It will be hard for me to get my hands on those. Those beat my AMD 64 3500+ scores and I think they beat the X2 3800 + of Namslas90.

One last request, if someone with a normal P4 without HT do the test?

 

[rodneyhchef]

Just ran it on mine (now I know what it is!!) And it did it in 50seconds. I'm quite pleased with that. If Super pi is a good estimate of how good your cpu is (I dunno) then I'd agree that the cpu is the problem.

 

[rodneyhchef]

 

[VeDz]

ah ha! I think looking at your score rodney has convinced me, that my CPU is pretty horrible, and how you score quite high. I think Super Pi relies on a bit of memory but minutely. My score basicaly is a double of yours, a P4 etc. I have also checked if my Celeron was just bogus or all of them are. I found a 2.5ghz celeron which score 1m and 59s compared to my 1min 47 seconds. So, definetly, its not my current CPU problem, but rather the fact that celerons are horrible.

With that said, I found a laptop with a P4 2.8ghz no HT, which ran SUper Pi at 50 seconds too. So, I think the deal is sealed of what I will be getting.

Thanks for everyones help. Appreciate it very much.

A big cheers to all of you.

 

[VeDz]

I am scared again.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=33224

This man, has a 3.0E p4.

 

[Widjaja]

VeDz I think those Super PI tests, benchmark test etc, relate to in game performance at all.

See what I ended up getting?
39sec in the 1 min test and still my CPU sucks in gaming.

I've reformatted, re-installed windows and partitioned my HDD so I have a separate partition for games still not one bit of improvement.

So I maybe getting a AMD64 X2 4800+ and new motherboard to sort out the bottlenecking.

At the end of the day mate you may have to do the same to sort out you issue completley

Feel sorry for you dude

 

[PuMA]

Yep. Something like photoshop will likely get pissed off at you.

with 2gb of ram, im using photoshop without any problems. True that u will need ATLEAST 2gb to do it, and I think its a good trade, to load textures etc. from ram only and eliminate the slow hdd paging. I dont have any benchies to prove, but the effects are seen clearly when gaming: Faster loading times, no stuttering, maybe a little FPS boost. Im currently playing Armed Assault, and the game loads up a huge 400x400 square kilometers into memory, not to mention,
300+ troops+ vehicles present in the island. Disabling pagefile helps in this game, and have heard that it did the same to others too.

And im sorry for my flaiming the other day(was quite drunk)

 

[Widjaja]

PuMA
I decided to re-format and partition my HDD and nothing changed.
My AMD motherboard has arrived, now I just have to wait for the CPU then do some bench comparisons and gaming comparisons.

I think my new CPU will piss all over the the current one considering the AMD64 X2 4800+ 939skt is somewhere aorund the levels of a decent PentiumD or so I've read.

If the games play around the same quality as my mates rig I'd be happy

Mates Rig:-
Pentium D 945 3.4Ghz Pressler
2X 1GB DDR667mhz Dual Channel
7600GT 256mb PCI-E
Some mid range Gigabyte SLi motherboard

My rig by next week:-
AMD64 X2 4800+ @2.4Ghz
2X 1GB DDR400 Dual Channel
X1950pro 512mb AGP
ABIT AV8 3rd-eye

 

[PuMA]

PuMA
I decided to re-format and partition my HDD and nothing changed.
My AMD motherboard has arrived, now I just have to wait for the CPU then do some bench comparisons and gaming comparisons.

I think my new CPU will piss all over the the current one considering the AMD64 X2 4800+ 939skt is somewhere aorund the levels of a decent PentiumD or so I've read.

If the games play around the same quality as my mates rig I'd be happy

Mates Rig:-
Pentium D 945 3.4Ghz Pressler
2X 1GB DDR667mhz Dual Channel
7600GT 256mb PCI-E
Some mid range Gigabyte SLi motherboard

My rig by next week:-
AMD64 X2 4800+ @2.4Ghz
2X 1GB DDR400 Dual Channel
X1950pro 512mb AGP
ABIT AV8 3rd-eye

yes that rig will run all the games fine+ u got ati card so GFX are awesome with it.
the performance gain that I had for reformatting was mainly because I hadn't formatted in awhile, so everything runs better with fresh format. Sorry that ur partioning didnt work, but with that proc u can run recent games probly with everything maxed(and with 512mb u can up the res aswell)

I'm waiting to get my 2x512 mem, I allready now that It helps with the games.
BTW: im on 939 just like u.

u can't really compare intel and AMD. Intel has higher clock frequency, but AMD's handle memory allocations much better+ some other advantages that i dont remember.
To put it this way: Pentium for running aps and AMD for gaming (tough the new core2 will perform better in games nowdays)


just a little Q: Am I able to run my mem in dual channel (2x512mb vm green and 2x512mb tranced ram)???? They are matching pairs