I hold my opinion on the iPhone and iPad back, which should tell you vaguely how I think about hose products. However I own an iPod 4 32gb and I have to say its a brilliant little thing. And I actually use it to listen to music. So for an mp3/media player, its a very good solution. I owned an iPod 3 but sold it after a short time, iPod 4 feels more... finished in all regards.