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Apple starting to use new screws to prevent users from upgrading their hardware!

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by newtekie1, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. qubit

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    Restricted graphics cards was true even before they went EFI. When (if?) EFI becomes standard on PCs, you will still be able to choose from the whole market and Apples will still be restricted, I reckon.

    Locking out other companies from building clones is a classic example of their control freakery to keep the computers high priced and under their total control. Man, I aint paying for that.
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    First, not all Apple products are overpriced. We can go into specifics if you like, but Mac Mini, iMac and MacPro are very fairly priced in their base configs.

    Second, you have to compare them to other OEM computers with the same features and specs, not home built, as that's not a fair comparison.

    Third, iPad serves a niche that a netbook does not. Those that want a touch screen tablet, are not looking to buy something with a keyboard. Show me a capacitive, multi-touch netbook for cheaper, and we'll talk. I do feel it's overpriced, but then again, I'm not it's target market. I would never own one unless it came in under $300.

    Fourth, Apple does not cater to an upgrader. Doesn't mean you can't upgrade. I can throw a 580 into a MacPro no problem, and most of the models have plenty of juice to run it, too. You can also throw upgraded cpus in them, or upgraded ram. Plenty of things. As much as a regular PC? No, but that doesn't change the fact that they are upgradeable.

    And how is it a dictatorship? Is anyone forcing you to buy Apple products? No they are not.

    I own an iMac, and an iPhone 3GS 16GB. I don't suffer from the walled garden problem, because I do my research. That said, I'm going Android for my next phone.
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    I would glue the damn thing together :D.
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    I believe they are taking advantage of the people that fall victim to its closed market propaganda. They have been doing that for years. I believe you may be looking at it wrong though. Your perspective is the minority. You don't need a GTX 580 for what Macs are built for. Although steam may create a larger Mac gaming demographic and change that.

    I know man. I used to flash them to use them on Mac(Quake baby! :cool:). It was common for techies at the time. :D
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    Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop

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    To everyone correcting me for saying Apple products are top notch: I will bend a bit, but I will still maintain they generally have a higher quality than other things (maybe not enough to justify the pricing on lets say the Macbook Pro, but still!). :p
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    You are right on that one. Can I just know what the hell are you reading to have of signature like that?
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    As apples use the latest quantum technology, the tree doesn't actually fall until you heard it.

    OT: I helped a mate fix a mac earlier this year. TBH I was a little sad in the end that the parts were exactly the same a standard laptop parts. It wasn't even very difficult to fix.

    I like Apple stuff though because they have got the right way of selling consumer goods. They make sure the hardware is compatible with the software and then make it wasy to use. There are some PC OEM's that could learn a bit from this.

    I wouldn't pay the extra for a Apple product because there is no benefit for me. i'm quite happy to support my friends who have bought them though.

    As for the funny lil screws, well that just adds more $ to the price and I'm not too sure this benefits anyone really.
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    Theirs plenty of laptop and desktop manufacturers that offer a fairly simple setup (ala all of them).

    Apple's marketing is, "WERE BETTER! DONT ASK WHY THO"
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    Some old books written by a guy called James.
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    So what? I really don't understand why their marketing gimmicks are constantly used as an argument against them. It doesn't magically make all of their products bad all of a sudden, which is really all that's important, not their commercials.
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    Apple is still the simplest - it's not for me though.

    And Apples marketing is targeted at people who don't want to ask why, or want to waste their time hearing an answer. It all seems ok to me.
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    i laughed hard at that article, apple is so stupid they rip people off so much, people just accept it cause there too ignorant to be like hey i could get a better pc/desktop for 1000's less. *massive facepalm* i dont even try to talk to mac users anymore, i just let them wallow in there self righteousness, its not my money let them be dumb
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    So you're kindof pedo? :shadedshu
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    I'm sure a lot of people in the world think the same of you for things you don't even remotely care about.
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    I have a friend who recently bought a MAC Book pro for around $2k. He bought it as he thought everything was simple to use.
    He's had nothing but problems since, He couldn't figure out how open office worked and got me to install MS Office on there. He can't connect to the internet at home as the ip setting are borked or something and no one here knows how to fix macs when they have problems. The nice shiny white case looks good, but get scratched real fast. It's only 6mo old and it looks like it's been through a few wars.

    So now he is stuck with an expensive word processor that can only connect to the net when he is in a wi-fi area. He still thinks it's easier to use than a PC (all he does is browse the web and word process) and i just quietly laugh to myself.

    Apple's marketing makes users believe that they really are easy to use. But just because they lack the advanced functionality of other computers and OS' doesn't mean that PCs are less easy. It just means they have more advanced features IF you want to use them.
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    Prices aren't THAT bad anymore, as long as you stick with the base and upgrade yourself (except for Macbook air as you can't upgrade yourself really)

    The price [premium people pay for Macs aren't like they were a year or 2 ago

    and I agree with the above.

    How many times have I heard the zom in thing with 2 fingers though? why not implement it on laptops? seriously?
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    it is true almost all of time. and even if the product that is not "as good" lasts longer then oh well. that is life. you can't always get what you want. go out and make your own better product.

    they are not superior to a notebook or netbook from a technical point of view. but from a usefulness point of view they are. especially for designers who dont want to lug around their laptops to every site they visit.

    people make their own decisions about buying computer products. you are complaining because their reasons are different from yours. you sound like a child.

    exactly, you are bitching. nerd rage i call it. get over it. or have a heart attack. your choice.

    apple clearly is meeting customer demand considering the hundreds of millions of units they have sold.
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    Replying to a guy like that calling him a raging nerd doesnt make you a nerd also? :nutkick:
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    when i first stated nerd rage it was a general observation so it was not directed at anyone in particular. he spoke up in defense. but i never called anyone a raging nerd.
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    One of my friends got an iPad for school. Ever since we've been trying to figure out what it's used for. It's pretty tough to write papers on it; it doesn't make sense to watch movies on it unless you're commuting; it makes a decent ereader but the battery life isn't so hot; you can browse the net with it easily enough but you're limited in your actions.

    It just sits on his coffee table and we joke about how it is only decent when used for porn. On the other hand he brings his laptop everywhere.

    (I don't want/expect anyone to tell me what the iPad is used for. I was merely making a joke/point.)
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    And you are comparing a home built rig to an OEM rig. Not a fair comparison. Compare Macs to other OEM computers with all teh same features and performance, and most of them cost exactly what they should. Laptops seem to be the main exception.
    First off, him not being able to use Open Office has absoltuely nothing to do with it being a Mac. That only has to do with open office.

    Secondly, being easy to use is purely subjective.

    Lastly, all those "advanced features" are there in OS X as well. It's built on BSD, and you can open terminal, and do a shit load of things with it. You can even install Linux and BSD apps if you install the libs needed. You can use OS X just like you would BSD or Linux if you choose.

    I honestly don't like the iPad either. It's like iTouch only bigger, when they should've made it iMac w/touch screen, only smaller. People seem to suck them up for whatever reason tho. I wouldn't mind having a capacitive touch screen tablet, but not at that price. Some Android ones are releasing as well, and the ones with good gpus and capacitive screens seem to be the same price as iPad, like the Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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    @Easy Rhino

    I don't sound like a child. I make a good argument. Please don't be so dismissive and accusing me of just having "nerd rage" and offering me to have a heart atteck. It is really quite insulting. :slap:

    I still haven't had that example showing how an iPad can be better in any particular scenario. How is it better for designers and what sort of "designers" are we talking about?

    streetfighter 2 has just made a good example of someone that's got one and doesn't actually find it useful. So my question stands. I would really like a concrete example/scenario of where an iPad is superior to the laptop/netbook that it's edging out. I still haven't had this.

    To show you what sort of answer I'm looking for, I can certainly make a few concrete examples of where laptops are superior:

    Better than an iPad: more CPU & GPU power & compatibility with the vast range of PC apps and utilities. Better all round spec, in fact (including screen resolution). Some expensive ones even have enough processing power to play modern games very well eg the Eurocom brand: www.eurocom.co.uk

    Better than a desktop PC: highly portable. Can be used to do work in a variety of locations, such as on a airplane or ship. Can be used "in the field" for data gathering in scientific situations where data has to be monitored, processed and possibly transmitted in realtme.

    Modern laptops also have enough CPU/GPU power nowadays and contain a keyboard and trackpad, so that they can be used to completely replace a desktop and without any external support if someone prefers to. Some of my colleagues at work have this arrangement. I'd really like to see an iPad do that, or any keyboardless iPad style computer do that for that matter (attaching a keyboard or other peripheral is cheating. The computer must be used with the native functionality it came with).

    You claim that Apple are meeting customer demand simply because they're selling a lot of their stuff. My point and that of others is that they're not, people are just getting suckered into buying their intentionally restricted products based on image and marketing. That's not meeting needs, it's a sly con on the clueless, non-technical person instead. Again, I refer to Mussels' example of how many people convert to a PC when he shows them the difference.
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    But you haven't made any good arguments. All you have proven is that YOU have no use for them. You haven't proven anything else at all.

    iPad (and any capacitive touch screen tablet) can be held, and used in a different portable manner than a netbook and laptop, making them less cumbersome. Nice try, laptops and tablets are a different market altogether. Why no animosity towards the likes of the Samsung Galaxy Tab? You might as well compare a smart phone with a netbook, as it's about the same as what you are doing now.

    You are comparing 2 completely different things.

    And again bitching about marketting? Why? All companies stretch the truth to sell things to you, but so many focus their attentions on Apple. I just don't understand the logic.

    I am actually an owner of Apple products, because, at the time of purchase, they represented a great value. They are not the godawful evil, overcharging company you are trying to make them out to be.

    I bought a 20" iMac w/Core2 when they first released them back in the day. It was $200 more than a PC version with all the same specs, with one major exception. The PC had a crappy Tn-Film screen, and the iMac has an IPS. Worth the extra $200. Actually, at the time, the price premium between a 20" tn-film and 20" IPS monitor averaged $300 or more. I'd call that a bargain. Today's iMacs still have that advantage.

    I have an iPhone 3GS 16GB. When it was new, no other phone came close for LCD and touch screen abilities, or built in storage for that matter. All other choices had far inferior screens, and the OSes were locked by AT&T themselves to be a walled garden. At least the iPhone could be jailbroken. This is finally changing however, and it looks like some really good Android phones are due to hit the market. I will be making the switch.

    The point is, Apple does make some good products if you do your research, instead of blindly hating them based on advertising.

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