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if you are using some sort of digital output from your onboard soundcard then you wont notice the difference switching to from onboard to dedicated as you are bypassing all the digital to analog converters and the interference that they are prone to. some newer motherboards have the onboard sound on its own separate pcb to eliminate that problem just like using a soundcard i think it was some abit and asus boards that had it.
 
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typically if you're asking that question you'll be perfectly happy with onboard. audiophiles would already be complaining and make posts searchig for interfaces between the pc and their studio system lol.
 

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has NOTHING to do with being an "audiophile" if you can't tell the difference between onboard and dedicated you need to get your ear's checked.

i am in NO way an "auiophile" and i don't appreciate having a label placed on me by people who have a lack of appreciation for quality sound.

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I'm using my onboard to my sony amp via a digital coaxial out.I have tried an x-fail extreme music and a audigy4/audigy se,all using the digital out to my amp.I have good speakers,and i could not tell any differance.If you are using the analouge outputs then maybe a souncard will make a differance,but if you are using a digital output,it makes no differance if you use onboard or a seperate soundcard.

And i'm pretty sure i dont need my ears checking.
 

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Can someone recommend a good sound card brand or model? A brand that makes good stuff, but is affordable.

I'm using my onboard to my sony amp via a digital coaxial out.I have tried an x-fail extreme music and a audigy4/audigy se,all using the digital out to my amp.I have good speakers,and i could not tell any differance.If you are using the analouge outputs then maybe a souncard will make a differance,but if you are using a digital output,it makes no differance if you use onboard or a seperate soundcard.

And i'm pretty sure i dont need my ears checking.


Thats because there is no diffrence between Digital outputs... Digital is Digital.

If you were running through some form of DAC, or out of the line level output you would hear a diffrence.
 
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so basically,if you use digital out,you dont need a seperate sound card,if you use analogue,you do.
 

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i can only :roll:

good day thread :toast:
 
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After following this thread since yesterday, I will leave it with this thought: Its up to you. I like a good sound card, some say onboard is fine...But with a high end rig, why not a high end soundcard?? If I spend $1500 on a rig, $100 for a nice sound card seems like a drop in the bucket. Plus e-peen grows with anything not onboard :D

That being said...good luck...make a choice...and live with it. :)
 

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Audio is a very personal thing, also depends what you are pairing it up with.

IMO a regular $100 or less card will be fine for 95% of people, the people that are looking to do more than just drive their x.x logitech speakers will be the ones with diffrent cards/setups.

It all depends what sounds good for you, and what your going to be pushing.
 

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Thats because there is no diffrence between Digital outputs... Digital is Digital.

If you were running through some form of DAC, or out of the line level output you would hear a diffrence.

last post in this thread for me

wrong, all digital is NOT the same. do some reading befre you do your posting :toast:

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What speakers/amp are you using intel igent?

oooh! oooh! oooh! rhetorical question! i love rhetorical question's don't you? :laugh:
 
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I'm out of this thread.
 
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Digital output is the same to a certain degree.

If you're doing a pass through (SPDIF) from a DVD with soundcard A and soundcard B you'd be hard pressed to differentiate the clarity between A and B.

However in situations where one isn't doing pass through but is using a digital output to play music files or games the clarity between soundcards can still differ hugely because of all the post processing involved prior to the AV receiver getting the data. For example the DSPs used on soundcard A might be different from the DSPs soundcard B and hence the end quality of the sounds from the digital output will vary.

In a digital output situation one would presume that EAX 5.0 on the X-FI Titanium would sound different from EAX 2.0 on the Auzentech X-Meridian. Again one would assume that the software level Prologic and DTS Neo DSPs on the X-Meridian would sound different from "virtual speakers" DSPs on the X-Fi Titanium, both using digital output but the DSPs change make it sound different.

Another thing to think about:
1. ) When using Digital output letting the Auzentech X-Meridian handle Prologic in a driver level might sound slight different in quality from letting the AV receiver handle Prologic in a hardware level whilst hooked up to a X-Fi.


2.) Also with a X-Meridian or any soundcard capable of encoding the sound quality and positional sound might be weaker if upmixng to Dolby Digital or DTS from a downloaded movie in comparison a store bought DVD where a SPDIF pass-through can be done!

In conclusion SPDIF pass through from DVDs would most likely sound the same on all soundcards, however digital output will vary in a non pass through environment where the soundcards individuals DSPs can be applied.

PS. if you disagree with someone explain why you think they are wrong instead :)
 
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has NOTHING to do with being an "audiophile" if you can't tell the difference between onboard and dedicated you need to get your ear's checked.

i am in NO way an "auiophile" and i don't appreciate having a label placed on me by people who have a lack of appreciation for quality sound.

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alright fine audio enthusiaist. lol

I really don't care all that much about my pc's sound. yes I can hear adifference, but I just don't do much more than gaming on my pc which eman I only care if I can hear the guy creeping up behind me.

if I'm listening to music or watching a movie It's on my yamaha system
 
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digital output is not the same it depends on your bit depth, which is usualy the same for most cards but also your sample rate, this is trhe part the affect sound quality mostly, seeing as digital tries to replicate an analauge sound wave. The size of that sample rate shows how close you get to the actual wave, the lower the more 'blocky' the wave more the you have the smoother the wave looks, bit like AA in games
 

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End of the day dedicated sound is far superior to onboard, especially when it comes to features. If going for dedicated sound the Xonar DX works a real treat Review. That said, if your onboard sound happens to be a Via or ADI codec, it should sound quite good still. Avoid Realtek like your life depends on it.
 
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Yep, most of realteks codecs really suck, ADI on the other hand sounds much better, for example, my old laptop has a old 2 channel ADI codec and it sounds better than my motherboards realtek 888 codec

I like sound cards just because the equiptment I use really makes the difference and I can tell the codecs don't sound as good but if you got cheap equiptment you might not be able to tell
 
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Onboards are getting much better, they don't really help FPS too much anymore unless you are playing crysis on your single core 2.0 celly...

Beyond that, sound quality can be player or maybe some various options but in all reality wouldn't say "important" for most people.
 

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Two benefits:
1) Higher SNR. Most motherboard audio has a SNR of ~100dB or less. If you have speakers with a SNR dB greater than 100dB, you should find a card that matches or exceeds the capabilities of your speakers.
2) Off loads audio processing from the CPU. This means a gain in FPS 1-10fps typical.

A third benefit: I have headphones plugged in to onboard and my Klipsch speakers plugged in to my Creative Audigy 2 ZS card. Instead of messing with wires, I can change the default audio device to make it go one way or the other.
 
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i have a friend that's really happy with his modern onboard realtek, as i remember what my onboard realtek is like. with a good motherboard the onboard sound does provide a lot, or all, of the options that most people will ever want to use. if you strive for any sort of higher quality in your music or other lossless media, then get a good card. quality is probably the biggest benefit from a soundcard since some integrated sound codecs are capable of software encoding of surround sound for digital output, which has been around in integrated sound for mobos for four or five years.


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higher quality in your music or other lossless media

the only lossless media was vynl lol
 

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I've used a highend Realtek (whatever it is on the TPower I45, I forget) and a Realtek ALC1200, both sound like absolute shit in W7/Vista, in XP they are fine (EQ is their saving grace) but for W7/Vista they have no EQ (same goes for any other Realtek Codec AFAIK), so sound absolutely abysmal. ADI codecs are absolute win, and Via codecs aren't bad either. If I had bought a P5Q Deluxe, I probably wouldn't have a Xonar DX now because the P5Q-D uses a ADI codec.
 

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i tot the highest end realtek codec is 889A?
 
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I'm pretty sure one of the big selling points of a dedicated sound card with today's hardware is the better signal to noise ratio. It's been touched on by a couple people here, but with the onboard sound, silence won't really be silent.

With the dedicated sound card, it will be closer to silence. Less noise in the signal. And you don't really need top notch speakers to notice the difference.

From ASUS's site for their Xonar essence card:
Utilizing only the finest components and design, ASUS has delivered a soundcard that is able to reproduce truly pure sounds at an industry-leading 124dB SNR (Signal-to-Noise Ratio). This is 64 times clearer the most onboard audio solutions (85–88 SNR).

124dB is pretty ridiculous, but most dedicated cards are in the 100 - 110 dB range (higher is better). That means you get more signal, less noise.
 
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what if your one of the freaks like i am who has 8 threads at there disposal? and less then 3 is always being used? Then the "extra processesing" power is pointless. Even the kentsfield and Yorkfield days, programs just started coming out for quadcores.

Also... i am willing to bet you will not hear the difference between onboard and dedicated sound card if you were playing them off a 2.1 channel speakers. Well not on the decient priced boards at least.

obviously you don't know about good 2.1 speakers :slap:
I listen to music on my pc as well, and I will neva go back to onboard. :rockout:
 
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