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Hello members, its been years since my last post and need advice from you guys. Just dropped in the 4690 today and booted right up. Bios shows 3500mhz. Cpuz shows 3700mhz and will fluctuate up to 3900mhz. Everything in bios related to cpu is on auto. Blck is at 100 and multiplier in cpuz says 37. Shouldn't it boot at stock 3500mhz. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Hey sneekypeet, I remember you. Whats up man? I figured this out. In bios cpu ratio was set to auto. I selected "select all cores" then was able to set the multiplier to 35. I've been out of this for so long I think this is right. What about vcore? Its set to auto. Doesn't that set vcore too high? According to cpuz I'm at 1.053. Temps around 28c.
 
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He's saying leaving it on auto your CPU is 3.5Ghz but it is turbo core capable so it will go up to 3.9Ghz which is what is supposed to happen..It's a normal function of your CPU.
 

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He's saying leaving it on auto your CPU is 3.5Ghz but it is turbo core capable so it will go up to 3.9Ghz which is what is supposed to happen..It's a normal function of your CPU.

yes, this. Sorry I had a few too many heinekens and wasn't very thorough with my answer. I would leave Turbo to do its thing (auto). Also the voltage seems fine. I really wouldn't be real worried about either of them unless you plan to overclock the system. Even then auto settings are not near as bad as they used to be on older generation systems.
 
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A SSD can help with cores parking and unparking as the cpu cache is flushed. Its usually so fast in this process it would be hard to tell the difference but it helps.. SSD's are so fast now that sata no longer lets them run at full potential.
There is a lot of way to overclock but you need to do more research and ask some specific questions if you need to.
 
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So vcore is ok for right now on auto? You know I'm going to crank it up right? Should I disable turbo once I start scaling up?
 
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hm.. there is a haswel oc club here but why overclock it? are you a gamer or what are you doing?
 
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Should I disable turbo once I start scaling up?
Turbo by default applies different clocks based on how many cores are utilized at the moment.
People usually leave it on but change the turbo multiplier in bios and also set that turbo multiplier is always same no matter the number of cores loaded.
That way, when not loaded cpu uses lower clock steppings, and with a load even on single core it goes to full turbo multiplier.
Effectively you get power savings when browsing the web and idling, and full oc automatically with any kind of substantial load.
 
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Turbo by default applies different clocks based on how many cores are utilized at the moment.
People usually leave it on but change the turbo multiplier in bios and also set that turbo multiplier is always same no matter the number of cores loaded.
That way, when not loaded cpu uses lower clock steppings, and with a load even on single core it goes to full turbo multiplier.
Effectively you get power savings when browsing the web and idling, and full oc automatically with any kind of substantial load.

its not really a good thing to spoon feed overclocking to people. if they want to overclock there is plenty of guides that need to be read from start to finish... doubt they even need the overclock.
 
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its not really a good thing to spoon feed overclocking to people.
I disagree and don't understand the attempt to dictate and, in this case, stifle what other contributors say on this forum. That's the staff's job. But to that, I don't see what he said as spoonfeeding. It was a "generalized" statement, not a step-by-step hand-holding set of instructions

Forums are places for "open" discussions where everyone can (or should be allow to!) contribute, share and learn. Threads are not two-way private conversations, but open conversations where others just reading have an opportunity to read and learn.

Personally, I thought BiggyShaddy's comment was a well written, concise, applicable - and appreciated.
I would leave Turbo to do its thing (auto).
Even then auto settings are not near as bad as they used to be on older generation systems.
I agree. Even many of today's low-end motherboards are pretty good at blocking users from making unsafe settings and most come with (or you can download from their site) software to make it even easier and safer.
 
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never have i once seen a mod on any tech site endorsing overclocking.. especially without linking a guide. unless its a specific question from someone that most likely has actually done some reading up but just needs a little help.
so you agree with sneeky while adding a endorsement for overclocking and taking a shot at me for not being rude about giving incomplete overclocking info to a noob..
almost as if you know your molding a mods recommendation to fit your own opinion..
 
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I don't see where a mod (or anyone in this thread) "endorsed" overclocking. In fact, all I see happening is the recommendation to leave things alone!

As far as taking a shot at you, I simply stated I did not understand why you were attempting to stifle another's contribution! If you think I was being rude - sorry, but I think you should look again at your admonishment and stifling attempt of BiggyShaddy to see who was out of line here.
 

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never have i once seen a mod on any tech site endorsing overclocking.. especially without linking a guide. unless its a specific question from someone that most likely has actually done some reading up but just needs a little help.
so you agree with sneeky while adding a endorsement for overclocking and taking a shot at me for not being rude about giving incomplete overclocking info to a noob..
almost as if you know your molding a mods recommendation to fit your own opinion..
Try looking at this thread history too. Unlike you he has been a member here since 2007. I would assume he knows what he is doing, but possibly unsure of the new technology, not a noob in the literal sense. I also think he is smart enough to do some homework, and if he does run into issues he can always come and ask for more direct answers. In my experience, clocking rarely ends in component death as built in failsafes and color coated warnings in the bios show you when you may want to rethink the plan of attack.
 
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never have i once seen a mod on any tech site endorsing overclocking.. especially without linking a guide. unless its a specific question from someone that most likely has actually done some reading up but just needs a little help.
so you agree with sneeky while adding a endorsement for overclocking and taking a shot at me for not being rude about giving incomplete overclocking info to a noob..
almost as if you know your molding a mods recommendation to fit your own opinion..

Not a noob dude. For reasons I won't go into I got out of building, overclocking and gaming when ddr2 was just going mainstream. At my best I was running ddr2 800 at 1066 and a q6600 3.6ghz stable with sli. Just got out of it for while. I am a noob as far as understanding the new (to me) uefi settings. That's why I'm posting.

Try looking at this thread history too. Unlike you he has been a member here since 2007. I would assume he knows what he is doing, but possibly unsure of the new technology, not a noob in the literal sense. I also think he is smart enough to do some homework, and if he does run into issues he can always come and ask for more direct answers. In my experience, clocking rarely ends in component death as built in failsafes and color coated warnings in the bios show you when you may want to rethink the plan of attack.

Absolutely correct sneeky. Thank you. I have many questions because back in the day auto settings in bios was no-no. Is wile e still around?
 
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Absolutely correct sneeky. Thank you. I have many questions because back in the day auto settings in bios was no-no. Is wile e still around?

Have not seen him post in like forever now. last log in shows it was in late 2014.
 
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We had some good discussions back in the day. I remember selling him a kit of Transcend 4gb Axe Ram ddr3 1200. He got them up to 1400 then smoked em lol. Any way, back on topic. Just leave vcore on auto at stock speeds? What about when I overclock? Do I disable turbo when overclocking? What kind of bandwidth are you guys getting with ddr4? I love ram. I have my G.Skill Ares kit running at 10-13-13-30-1T and getting 26.3mbs in Sandra.
 
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Fairly easy to OC these days usually just set your desired multi and find the best vcore, I also leave all power options turned on so it only ever runs at the OC speed when you need the horsepower. As for CPU voltage you will want to use an offset as opposed to a constant one. Obviously there are other things you can tweak and play with to squeeze more out of your OC and fine tune though depends if you want to do that or are just looking for a fairly decent overclock.... :toast:

Your main issue might be your ITX build and cooler tbh, could get pretty toasty in there with a high overclock

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arctic-cooling-freezer-11-lp-cpu-cooler-review/6/

A review of the Arctic Freezer 11 LP and it doesn't fair much better than the Intel stock cooler
 
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The days of extreme overclocking are behind me now. I just like tweaking things and probably around a 4ghz or so overclock. What do you mean by offset on vcore? I know my cooling limitations. Don't need it but I'm probably going to get a Corsair series liquid cooling solution. How much bandwidth are you getting with your ddr3 in Sandra. Just wanting to compare.

Meant to add I'm in the low 60's in prime95. 2 Corsair 120mm intake and 2 Corsair 120mm exhaust.
 
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one other thing worth a mention.. intel turbo boost technology has nothing to do with speed stepping.. speed stepping still works as it should even with turbo boost turned off.. when a vcore offset is used as opposed to a fixed frequency being set speed stepping still does it job.. it adjusts both voltage and frequency relative to cpu load..

my turbo boost is disabled.. but i think as soon as the muliplyer is increased from stock it ceases to do anything anyway..

when the multiplyer is increased the bios automatically boosts the vcore.. the high the multiplyer the greater the vcore increase.. the offset just increases or decreases what the auto setting does..

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hm.. there is a haswel oc club here but why overclock it? are you a gamer or what are you doing?

Id probably consider myself a medium gamer. Like to tinker too. Kinda bummed I'm playing Crysis 2 and same fps as my core i3 I replaced. But this thing is running cooler than the i3 which is nice. Switched from AS5 to MX4.

one other thing worth a mention.. intel turbo boost technology has nothing to do with speed stepping.. speed stepping still works as it should even with turbo boost turned off.. when a vcore offset is used as opposed to a fixed frequency being set speed stepping still does it job.. it adjusts both voltage and frequency relative to cpu load..

my turbo boost is disabled.. but i think as soon as the muliplyer is increased from stock it ceases to do anything anyway..

when the multiplyer is increased the bios automatically boosts the vcore.. the high the multiplyer the greater the vcore increase.. the offset just increases or decreases what the auto setting does..

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So when you say offset you mean leaving vcore on auto? So much has changed since I was doing this 5 or 6 years ago. Plus there's other voltage setting in there that I have no clue about. Back when I was doing this auto vcore would set it too high so we would set it manually.

Have not seen him post in like forever now. last log in shows it was in late 2014.


What bandwidth are you getting with your ddr4 in Sandra? I'm curious of the speed difference between ddr3 and ddr4.
 
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What bandwidth are you getting with your ddr4 in Sandra? I'm curious of the speed difference between ddr3 and ddr4.

Sorry, I typically dont run Sandra. I do have a lot of benches in AIDA64 though.
 
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Not a noob dude. For reasons I won't go into I got out of building, overclocking and gaming when ddr2 was just going mainstream. At my best I was running ddr2 800 at 1066 and a q6600 3.6ghz stable with sli. Just got out of it for while. I am a noob as far as understanding the new (to me) uefi settings. That's why I'm posting.
sorry.. i didnt mean it in any bad way. i call myself a noob sometimes. like when a friend hands me a controller for a game that i havnt played.
 
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"So when you say offset you mean leaving vcore on auto? So much has changed since I was doing this 5 or 6 years ago. Plus there's other voltage setting in there that I have no clue about. Back when I was doing this auto vcore would set it too high so we would set it manually."

kind of but with my gigabyte bios i have to select what it calls "normal" to get the plus or minus off-set options to appear.. i think left on "normal" with zero off-set applied its the same as just left on auto..

i have minus off sets on mine up 4.6 gig and then i have to start adding voltage.. my 4790k chip seems happy up to 4.6.. which i what i like to run it at.. it will go quicker but i just dont think the small performance gain is worth the extra voltage needed..

there are a million and one settings i dont fully understand and at first i think its best to set a fixed frequency and leave the vcore on auto.. fine tweakings come later..

i have my turbo setting disabled also the built in gpu.. my speed and voltage steppings all go up and down as they should..

the so called turbo boost isnt really what it seems.. with only a single threading application running you may get the full claimed turbo boost.. with most things you get much less..

i am kind like you.. last did all this sh-t eight years ago.. back in the summer had to do a quick refresh course.. as you say it has all changed.. he he

trog
 
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Sorry, I typically dont run Sandra. I do have a lot of benches in AIDA64 though.

Ok so what kind of bandwidth are you getting in aida64? Can anybody chime in with memory bandwidth benches? ddr3 or ddr4 i'm very curious to compare. I'm getting 26.3mbs in Sandra.
 
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