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Why would GordonVanDyke take a picture of such a conversation in the first place? Thats not something you want any evidence of.

Anyways I suggest you get a copy of Quake Wars and join me in battle until March.

battlefield 2142 > quake wars.
 

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Neither of them were any good. It's like choosing between crap and vomit. In any case the supposed news of BC2 being delayed could be fake folks so keep that in mind. As for the reasons for the 1 week difference between beta and the game going gold? Sorry, that don't work. If they go through as planned the release of BC2 to the community it will be considered an early demo not a open/closed beta. In which any bug fixes would be patched after the game hits the market. That is not how a beta program works.
 
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Neither of them were any good. It's like choosing between crap and vomit. In any case the supposed news of BC2 being delayed could be fake folks so keep that in mind. As for the reasons for the 1 week difference between beta and the game going gold? Sorry, that don't work. If they go through as planned the release of BC2 to the community it will be considered an early demo not a open/closed beta. In which any bug fixes would be patched after the game hits the market. That is not how a beta program works.

A beta program works however they want it to work, it is not a static structure.

If they wanted to run the beta for the next 10 years, who is going to stop them? fcc?
 

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A beta program works however they want it to work, it is not a static structure.

If they wanted to run the beta for the next 10 years, who is going to stop them? fcc?
No, it is not and really no need to argue about it. If there are no changes made to final build that goes gold it is not a beta only a demo. In which the differences between them applying patches to the retail version of the game because they were made aware before or after the game went gold become moot.
 
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No, it is not and really no need to argue about it. If there are no changes made to final build that goes gold it is not a beta only a demo. In which the differences between them applying patches to the retail version of the game because they were made aware before or after the game went gold become moot.

just saying that it is up to them, as far as i know there are no laws that a beta has to abide by. expect anything. Or try not to be so obsessed and just get the game in its final release?
 

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just saying that it is up to them, as far as i know there are no laws that a beta has to abide by. expect anything. Or try not to be so obsessed and just get the game in its final release?
There is no obsession when time is needed to make sure that the game is "as bug free as possible" for the final build. That's the gist of beta period. No one should want them to rush the game out because someone simply can't wait for it.
 

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Take note of the PS3 beta as an example and how it lends itself over to the PC version of the game:

Since all of you reading this want us finishing up the game instead of writing blogs I made this short and sweet. Attached is a change-list of 130 Changes/Fixes .txt I snagged from Alan "Demize99" Kertz USB drive. One of my favorites is "Added environment specific camouflage to all vehicles." Comment your favorite too, we'd love to know what it is. You can also twitter it to OfficialBFBC2 and again, thank you for all those that had the opportunity to participate, as you can see it was incredibly valuable. See you on the PC Beta (Jan 28th), Console Demo (TBD), and then the real deal Battlefield (Mar 2nd & 5th 2010) that will rock your souls! :-D
With roughly 2 months before release this is how a beta should be properly done. Apparently they have no problem doing this on the console. And, because of this the console may actually get the demo.
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Unfortunately, the PS3 is no PC so we would need our own change list. But we as PC gamers may only see changes made to the game as a patch while the PS3/console users will have what they need/want from the time they buy the game. But lets want and see how this develops. The supposed beta maybe cut short, pc release maybe delayed...who knows.
 
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I will agree that this game is highly anticipated (by myself also), however I am still upset that the last bf was 2142, which is the first one only one ive ever played.

Developers tend to forget that their best fans, followers, and gamers are on the PC.
 

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battlefield 2142 > quake wars.
2142 couldn't hold a candle to BF2. But thats not why I suggested Quake Wars. The thing is QW uses less people per server and the maps are set up for this. Its more likely to give you the same feel as BC2. Good practice ya know? Get Quake Wars and join me against the Strogg! Earth needs you soldier!

I will agree that this game is highly anticipated (by myself also), however I am still upset that the last bf was 2142, which is the first one only one ive ever played.

Developers tend to forget that their best fans, followers, and gamers are on the PC.
Dude you owe it to yourself to play BF2. Its SMOKES 2142. Trust me on this.

As for the beta conversation I already stated the obvious and thats developers call demos betas now to avoid being held to anything in the final product. ALSO this beta could be for the first patch and not the initial release. The news of the delay is fake. Ill put money on it.
 
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Well that is a matter of opinion. I liked BF2142 and BF2 for different reasons. Most people prefer BF2 for the same reason they like CoD4, it is modern warfare. It provides a better since of being the character in the game because it is something you could have plausible done had you joined the armed forces. While BF2142 is set in a time frame that puts it well into the realm of "Fantasy", which is a concept I firmly disagree with.

I have personally come to like BF2142 better than BF2 for a few reasons. It has its flaws, but it has a lot of strengths and character I think gets overlooked.
 

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The Ammo Box, Medkit, Defibrillator, Repair Tool, and Motion Sensor are now unlocks for each class.
Players new to Battlefield will be introduced to these teamplay items when they are unlocked.
Battlefield Veterans will automatically have these teamplay items unlocked from the start.
This is the same kind of crap they tried to pull with BF2142. That was part of the reason why that game didn't do so well. Now we have to have someone decipher their definition of what verterans are? Is it:
-Pre ordering like we did with BF2142.
-Based if you played BC1
-Based on any Batllefield game
or some other BS? We also do not yet know how many points it will take to unlock them or in what order they are unlocked. As it stands though this is for the console. I hope they don't incorporate this in the PC.
 
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are the bf2 servers still going strong?
 

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There are still up and you can find a few 64 player servers out there that's been admin pretty good.
 

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Update

You better update your BF veteran status here!
 

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And just as a heads up for anyone thinking of getting the game through the Pre-order, they will ship a copy to you the day of release, so you will not get the game the day it comes out. You will most likely get it the following week if you pick the free shipping option like I did.

But considering all the free unlocks, I won't be to far behind my crazy, murderous Brothers-in-Arms.

Thats why I pre-ordered mine of he EA store, get in the beta, get the unlocks, get a digital copy. Win, Win, and more Win.

As for the reasons for the 1 week difference between beta and the game going gold? Sorry, that don't work. If they go through as planned the release of BC2 to the community it will be considered an early demo not a open/closed beta. In which any bug fixes would be patched after the game hits the market. That is not how a beta program works.

You have to remember, the PS3 game does not have DX11, thats is a massive difference. Not to mention, they had the PS3 beta out almost 2 months ago and it was as bug free as almost any release game. Usually with consoles being more picky they have to submit the final product earlier, I think the final PS3/360 copy has to be submitted by the end of this month (maybe even before the PC beta starts).

And since the console deadline is more strict thats why the PC beta got pushed back (I believe they even stated that when they pushed back the PC beta). So I would expect a day 1 patch on the PC version no doubt, betas get pushed back and final copies of almost anything now days has to be patched right off the bat. It sucks, but thats how it is, it allows them to go gold, and do minor tweaks while spitting out copies of the game to hit the market faster.

You better update your BF veteran status here!

I wish EA would work on their site more, I was never able to register my copy of BF2. But now I'm really lost, I have 1943 on PS3, and that isn't popping up on my list, but Bad Company is, shouldn't that auto register?
 

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You have to remember, the PS3 game does not have DX11, thats is a massive difference. Not to mention, they had the PS3 beta out almost 2 months ago and it was as bug free as almost any release game. Usually with consoles being more picky they have to submit the final product earlier, I think the final PS3/360 copy has to be submitted by the end of this month (maybe even before the PC beta starts).
There should be no divide here. PC gamers in general are more particular about their games then console. This alone should hold up a red flag. The issue isn't about gamers it's about not stepping on the toes of Sony and MS! They are the consoler gamers advocates. PC...not so much.


And since the console deadline is more strict thats why the PC beta got pushed back (I believe they even stated that when they pushed back the PC beta). So I would expect a day 1 patch on the PC version no doubt, betas get pushed back and final copies of almost anything now days has to be patched right off the bat. It sucks, but thats how it is, it allows them to go gold, and do minor tweaks while spitting out copies of the game to hit the market faster.



I wish EA would work on their site more, I was never able to register my copy of BF2. But now I'm really lost, I have 1943 on PS3, and that isn't popping up on my list, but Bad Company is, shouldn't that auto register?
The PC demo/beta release was pushed back because they found so many issues with the PS3 beta (read 130 items in the change log in my other post). This is why I said this is how a proper beta should be done. It allowed for not only bug fixes but balancing and fine tuning of the game. So far, PS3 (and possibly 360) owners will get the opportunity to enjoy the game at the time of the purchase. If they hold true to their original deadline(s) and balancing, bugs and/or fine tuning issues need to be addressed it will either cause a PC delay or release with the expectation of patch. PC gamers deserve the same consideration when a game is release as the consoles.

Although the veteran registration is up and running I don't believe it's fully operational. When that will happen is anyone's guess.
 

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There should be no divide here. PC gamers in general are more particular about their games then console. This alone should hold up a red flag. The issue isn't about gamers it's about not stepping on the toes of Sony and MS! They are the consoler gamers advocates. PC...not so much.

There should be none, but there is, thats how the world works. To meet deadlines, it's easier to put a game to gold, then allow people to play that month before it releases and find the small bugs to fix, just multitasking.

The PC demo/beta release was pushed back because they found so many issues with the PS3 beta (read 130 items in the change log in my other post). This is why I said this is how a proper beta should be done. It allowed for not only bug fixes but balancing and fine tuning of the game. So far, PS3 (and possibly 360) owners will get the opportunity to enjoy the game at the time of the purchase. If they hold true to their original deadline(s) and balancing, bugs and/or fine tuning issues need to be addressed it will either cause a PC delay or release with the expectation of patch. PC gamers deserve the same consideration when a game is release as the consoles.

And yes the PC beta was pushed back because issues, but thats exactly what I had said, it was pushed back so they could fine tune the console versions since their deadline to be into Sony and MS was sooner than the PC's version. Ether way, just going off heresay and such isn't the best info. I personally played in the beta, as did 7 of my friends. The amount of bugs any of us ran across can be counted on one had. The bugs plaguing BC 2 on PS3 weren't ground breaking bugs, one comes to mind, that you could use C4 and an Assault Rifle. I've seen games release that were more buggy than that beta, it ran really nice. I still say they won't have an issue releasing it on the deadline dates, but expect a patch on release day, I played the game already and it ran good, if I hadn't and I was reading the doom and gloom news, I might expect something else. I've played in a lot of betas that were far more buggy than this.

Although the veteran registration is up and running I don't believe it's fully operational. When that will happen is anyone's guess.

Yeah, I tried to add BF2 months ago and it didn't work, I might have to try again. Granted in BC1 there was no reward for anything beyond being a Vet with just 1 previous BF title, so I doubt they will reward people for the more titles they own.
 

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There should be none, but there is, thats how the world works. To meet deadlines, it's easier to put a game to gold, then allow people to play that month before it releases and find the small bugs to fix, just multitasking.
Actually that is the problem in the nutshell which is why you are debating it. So saying "that's how the world works" isn't relevant although if nothing more then being passive aggressive. The truth is the PC portion of this game should be given the same attention as found from other developers.


And yes the PC beta was pushed back because issues, but thats exactly what I had said, it was pushed back so they could fine tune the console versions since their deadline to be into Sony and MS was sooner than the PC's version. Ether way, just going off heresay and such isn't the best info. I personally played in the beta, as did 7 of my friends. The amount of bugs any of us ran across can be counted on one had. The bugs plaguing BC 2 on PS3 weren't ground breaking bugs, one comes to mind, that you could use C4 and an Assault Rifle. I've seen games release that were more buggy than that beta, it ran really nice. I still say they won't have an issue releasing it on the deadline dates, but expect a patch on release day, I played the game already and it ran good, if I hadn't and I was reading the doom and gloom news, I might expect something else. I've played in a lot of betas that were far more buggy than this.
I think you missed a few things such as balancing and fine tuning. Bugs are only one portion. That's how they came up with 130 fixes. How many of those fixes will actually go into the PC is not really confirmed at this time. Which is why the PC needs their own beta. Because what works on the console may not work as intended on the PC, for example.


Yeah, I tried to add BF2 months ago and it didn't work, I might have to try again. Granted in BC1 there was no reward for anything beyond being a Vet with just 1 previous BF title, so I doubt they will reward people for the more titles they own.
Another thing about this veteran status is there appears to be some sort of ranking system. At this time it is not clear if that has any meaning for BC2 or not.
 

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Actually that is the problem in the nutshell which is why you are debating it. So saying "that's how the world works" isn't relevant although if nothing more then being passive aggressive. The truth is the PC portion of this game should be given the same attention as found from other developers.

The PC portion of the game will have dedicated servers and DX11, look at how aggressive PC gamers were with MW2 and their petition, it did jack crap. Saying thats how the world works is just telling you, that most games now days go gold with issues and patch to them, at least if your a PC gamer thats how it works. The only way I could see someone not understanding this is if they were a heavy console player. With the feature list of whats coming to BC2 on PC compared to the competition, and already having played the game, count me in as happy, you can slice it anyway you want calling it passive aggressive, but I have played the game, and it seems like you haven't and are over reacting.

I think you missed a few things such as balancing and fine tuning. Bugs are only one portion. That's how they came up with 130 fixes. How many of those fixes will actually go into the PC is not really confirmed at this time. Which is why the PC needs their own beta. Because what works on the console may not work as intended on the PC, for example.

Not missing that at all, I gave you an example, I wasn't planning to write a book, but I could give you another example, the XM8 Compact was over powered, theres your balancing issue.
but I do agree PC needs it's own testing, which it has been getting, theres been videos of people playing in a closed beta, this is an Open type beta, they are completely different, and thats where I think you are getting confused. Open betas are usually a demo of the game, closed beta is where most real fine tuning happens, then they want to stress the servers so they test it as an Open beta and bam it's ready to go. As a closed beta they can be more 1 on 1 with their testers and actually get results, where as an open beta not everyone (most people that is) will even look to report bugs, they mostly look to play the game and see if they want to buy it (like a demo). And since thats the nature of people most company's have moved to turning "Open Beta" into a demo pretty much. And that explanation right there solves all your questions. With Open beta just being about 2 weeks away, it's too late to make an announcement, and I can't recall a push back announcement called during an open beta ever. That will be announced during closed beta normally. It looks right on track, I'd be willing to bet a pan full of fresh chocolate chip cookies that these dates are pretty much set in stone right now, and that the games going to be a blast (it was in DX9 consolized, can't wait for DX11).

Another thing about this veteran status is there appears to be some sort of ranking system. At this time it is not clear if that has any meaning for BC2 or not.

How the Vet system works in BC 1 is the more titles you have, it appears in front of your name on scoreboards. Like if you had 3 other BF titles you would just get a 3 before your name, and get some sort of Vet reward gun, which if like BC 1, 1, 3, or 5 other BF titles would all get you that same reward.
 

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The PC portion of the game will have dedicated servers and DX11, look at how aggressive PC gamers were with MW2 and their petition, it did jack crap. Saying thats how the world works is just telling you, that most games now days go gold with issues and patch to them, at least if your a PC gamer thats how it works. The only way I could see someone not understanding this is if they were a heavy console player. With the feature list of whats coming to BC2 on PC compared to the competition, and already having played the game, count me in as happy, you can slice it anyway you want calling it passive aggressive, but I have played the game, and it seems like you haven't and are over reacting.



Not missing that at all, I gave you an example, I wasn't planning to write a book, but I could give you another example, the XM8 Compact was over powered, theres your balancing issue.
but I do agree PC needs it's own testing, which it has been getting, theres been videos of people playing in a closed beta, this is an Open type beta, they are completely different, and thats where I think you are getting confused. Open betas are usually a demo of the game, closed beta is where most real fine tuning happens, then they want to stress the servers so they test it as an Open beta and bam it's ready to go. As a closed beta they can be more 1 on 1 with their testers and actually get results, where as an open beta not everyone (most people that is) will even look to report bugs, they mostly look to play the game and see if they want to buy it (like a demo). And since thats the nature of people most company's have moved to turning "Open Beta" into a demo pretty much. And that explanation right there solves all your questions. With Open beta just being about 2 weeks away, it's too late to make an announcement, and I can't recall a push back announcement called during an open beta ever. That will be announced during closed beta normally. It looks right on track, I'd be willing to bet a pan full of fresh chocolate chip cookies that these dates are pretty much set in stone right now, and that the games going to be a blast (it was in DX9 consolized, can't wait for DX11).



How the Vet system works in BC 1 is the more titles you have, it appears in front of your name on scoreboards. Like if you had 3 other BF titles you would just get a 3 before your name, and get some sort of Vet reward gun, which if like BC 1, 1, 3, or 5 other BF titles would all get you that same reward.

It's clear that the use of DX11 and that Dice's statement to use dedicated servers is only but a few positive strides to that out cry. The DX11 component wasn't initially in BC2 but another version of their frostbite engine. So, in light of that it did more then what you initially thought.

There is both closed and open betas. It is clear that the closed beta didn't reveal as much as the open beta did for the PS3.

At this time it's not clear if they are doing some sort of tier release system based on your veteran status or not. Nothing about it has been detailed as of yet. However, if you can prove yourself to be a veteran should be all that is needed for the unlocks. But we will see.

In all, we are only going to agree to disagree here. It's clear to me that the time needed to provide PC players both closed and open beta is disproportionate if they stick with the time frames. It should not be a train of thought to look at a PC beta as a demo and vice versa. Making it the only means to enjoy a game before release. As other developers do provide an actual demo of their game to the PC community.
 
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This is the same kind of crap they tried to pull with BF2142. That was part of the reason why that game didn't do so well. Now we have to have someone decipher their definition of what verterans are? Is it:
-Pre ordering like we did with BF2142.
-Based if you played BC1
-Based on any Batllefield game
or some other BS? We also do not yet know how many points it will take to unlock them or in what order they are unlocked. As it stands though this is for the console. I hope they don't incorporate this in the PC.

In BF2142, you just had to create your account at EA before the game was released. They would ask for your BF2 account name and password. All it did, was put a red 2 in front of your name in the game. No big deal really.
 

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There is both closed and open betas. It is clear that the closed beta didn't reveal as much as the open beta did for the PS3.

Almost every single issue that was found in the PS3 beta was a weapon balancing issue, I can see very little actually bugs on the game. toning up or down weapon damage, greater range of scopes, a few cooldown fixes, a few fixes to make things destroy that are made of metal. Not really any major bugs that were found, and not fixing most of those would still make it a great game, just maybe with some OP or underpowered weapons (which most games end up having).

We'll see though, can't wait for the 28th to make an official judgement on the PC's state of the game instead of sitting here and guessing.
 
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Almost every single issue that was found in the PS3 beta was a weapon balancing issue, I can see very little actually bugs on the game. toning up or down weapon damage, greater range of scopes, a few cooldown fixes, a few fixes to make things destroy that are made of metal. Not really any major bugs that were found, and not fixing most of those would still make it a great game, just maybe with some OP or underpowered weapons (which most games end up having).

We'll see though, can't wait for the 28th to make an official judgement on the PC's state of the game instead of sitting here and guessing.

I agree. Can't wait for the hands on. Then I can stop watching these videos and complaining about how bad the snipers are.

I got my Vet status as well.
 
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