Discussion in 'techPowerUp! Club Forum' started by TheMailMan78, Feb 2, 2011.
Oh my god! I love/hate you! You made me spill coke all over my keyboard!
lol I did the same think... I just blew the coke out of my keyboard with my air line..lol
Anyway I'm glad it worked for ya. I have yet to hit a PB problem that lil guide couldn't fix.......assuming its only a PB issue.
Funny thing is I would sport that mask all over the damn place. When I customize my tag its going to have troll face on it.
It's Official, Battlefield 3 not coming to Steam
Is there anything new here, or is it just the same old story of Steam not on the Digital Distribution list? (I can't read the link from work)
Expected Blog post on beta pushed to tomorrow.
twitter.com/zh1nt0: "Clarification on Beta, pre-orders and such will appear tomorrow "
:3 tEHEHE I rememberd the M, i, and the L :3 And yeah, it's working. I am slowly getting back into it
Lol I didn't even think you were talking about mailman, thought you were talking about some thread you found elsewhere, lol. TheMilkMan is now his new name.
EHEHEHEH Let's get this back on track, I don't want another infraction lol.
No worries there bro the Clubhouses here are fairly "open" and don't even raise post count.
In other news, let's welcome back TheMilkMan woooo!
Oh, don't need to go as far as W1z for such. Find a good one and send it to erocker. lolol
New Battlefield Blog Post: Detailed Battlefield 3 Pre-Order Items & FAQ on the Open Beta!
Here was my reaction when looking for preorders today.
I don't get it?
PS: Feel free to add me on Origin
SKS rifles were not meant to be designed to accommodate optics.
This is pretty obvious because they are top loading with stripper clips. In addition, the receiver cover is wiggly so it is very tough to mount optics there. Where optics can be mounted is the side of the receiver, however this must be done off to the side so that you can actually load the rifle. Finally, 7.62x39 is worthless past 300 meters.
its a game its going to have shit that dosent make sense, lol
You really, REALLY dont know what you are talking about. Its in the same ballpark of a .30-30 Winchester for knock down power at that range. 300+ yards is well within range for a kill shot.
Oh and FYI they also used a M59/66 SKS sniper variant in Bosnia.
Edit: Just looked up the 7.62x39 in one of my reloading books and its max "effective" range in a normal load is 550 yards which is about 500 meters I'm guessing.
Good job, first hit on Google.
Too bad they were used in LIMITED CAPACITY. In addition, the M59/66 is Yugoslavian, which means it does not have a chromed barrel. This actually is because Yugoslavia has no ability to obtain chromium. Therefore, they made the rifle have a thicker barrel. In addition, the barrel is shorter in order to accommodate a grenade launcher attachment. The lack of a chromed barrel and the change of a heavy barrel make it more accurate than the standard SKS models, however one must take into account that the barrel is shorter, which causes reduced accuracy.
Also, please take into account that spent shell casing hit the scope when ejecting throwing off the zero of the optics, which could be fixed, but the SKS generally puts shells straight up in the air due to the extractor location. Problem is, depending on how you shoot, shells can go in either direction.
Let's also see that the stock had to be cut away so that the scope rail was actually able to be mounted on the receiver.
All these items should tell you this was thrown together by the respective users of the rifle, and these configurations never saw widespread use.
Regarding the stopping power of the 7.62x39, that is irrelevant, we are concerned with accuracy. However, we will compare 30-30 and x39 for giggles. We do have to take into account the weight of the round, so let's say we are using a 123 or 124gr x39 round, and a 130gr 30-30 round. We see that even though the 30-30 is heavier, it actually has a higher muzzle velocity than the x39. As we increase weight on that round, which we cannot do with the x39, we see the gap widens, and 30-30 is significantly more powerful than x39, roughly 20%.
To actually take into account accuracy we would have to compare a specific weapon chambered in 30-30. Now, do you see any semi automatic 30-30's? Not often. The semi automatic open bolt design of the SKS is not made for long range distances. In fact, the rear ironsight is so close to the front one, that accuracy is a problem.
That this game includes the SKS as a sniper weapon offends me. If the scope is mounted to the receiver cover, I will be very very mad.
I haven't ever done any research on an SKS, as I don't think I have ever used one in a game. But I can find a bunch of pictures of them with scopes?
RAGEFACE. See how that is mounted to the receiver cover? It will not hold its zero.
Seems to be holding it's zero there, his spread isn't bad at all, not any worse than just firing any other gun that I have seen. Rageface more?
Also you say the Yugo non-chromed barrel provides better accuracy, but then you say to remember that the shortened barrel also reduces accuracy. Well I guess it matters how much of a gain and a loss that is, but gain then loss.... doesn't that bring it back to level?
Here's an SKS shooting 260 and 540 yards, and you can see him pegging the 540 target, and it's scoped.
Like I said I haven't ever looked into SKS's, I'm just posting what I find, but seems to be a ton of people out there using them with scopes at well over the distances you were saying and doing it well, with optics.
Read comments of the first video. People make the same point that the receiver cover is a poor mount area.
That second video is impressive. It takes skill to hit at 540 yards, but with x39, I am surprised.
Yes tons of people use scopes with them, but there was never a standardized system to mount them on, so that is my primary rage factor here.
All I know, is that I am going to try to get a 360 no scope with it while jumping out of a plane.
did anyone get an email about "beta priority access"?
BF3 Alpha Players get exclusive pre-order options the next 3 days.
First of all you are assuming they are using a standard receiver. They make tons of aftermarket receiver covers for that thing. Some even support 1913 rail or that new NATO job. The M14 also mounts to the receiver so is it a crappy sniper rifle also?
The SKS has a top ejection port like a thousand other rifles. How it ejects is up to the extractor. Don't you think a modified sniper variant would also have this modified to have a horizontal ejection much like the M21 variant?
As for the ballistics of a 7.62x39 vs 30.30 I suggest you pick up a ballistics book or a reloading book. You are WAY off base. First off a 30.30 can go up to 170gr. I used to load mine out at 150gr when hunting Florida white tail. Second according to my books there is only about 100lbf difference between a 7.62x39 and 30.30 at 450 yards with a 150gr load out on the 30.30. If I did 110gr the 7.62x39 come out on top. Anyway thats a MINOR difference when talking ballistics. Even still thats way beyond 300 meters you originally claimed.
Now to your accuracy claim. Thats depends on a million issues that you seem to assume on. Is it a stock barrel? Is the trigger pull stock? etc. You are assuming its just some SKS found in a ditch during the Tet offensive with a Leupold taped on top. What I find funny is you saying knock down power is "irrelevant" and its all about accuracy. Well I hate to break it to you but its a balance. The SKS would not be an ideal LONG RANGE sniper rifle no. But in an urban setting it wouldn't be bad at all. If it was all about shot placement and not stopping power everyone would be using a .220 swift.
Pack a better lunch next time you come at TheMailMan when talking guns.
Pfft. I can do 540 yards open sights on a .308. Not that big a deal. 700+ then Ill be impressed.
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