Discussion in 'System Builder's Advice' started by wachuwey, Jan 28, 2013.
I would pick N670 for gaming. NV's driver is much optimized. recently, there are some models with more memory sizes like GV-N670OC-4GD . if you're AMD lover, you can pick 7850 which can be automatically overclocked by AMD boost to additiona 100MHz around. the backdraw is high fan speed (higher nosie)
Obviously, money is a concern for you if you're sticking with a 965. You can find the reviews yourself but I will promise you that the 965 OC to 3.8ghz will still bottleneck you in some games(games that are more CPU intensive). The first game that comes to mind is Star Craft 2. It doesn't matter how much OC I did or what graphics I use, it stuttered like crazy and frames dropped to the single digits when a big battle happened. Now I use an i5 3570k with 7850 with no OC on anything and it runs like butter.
for your CPU a good match would be a radeon 7850 or a regular 660 at the most. Anything higher is a waste of money as your marginal gain is not worth the extra cost. Use that difference to get a better CPU. The 7850 will play all the games out there anyways. Unless you really need to play metro 2033 at ultra settings, you don't need to go any higher.
Check out this thread as this guy is obviously CPU limited by the games he plays. He is using a 7950 and phenom II 965.
ignore this "nvidia's drivers are better" BS. Both brands have equally good good drivers. Both drivers have problems. Both companies tries to fix bugs, glitches, and performance issues as quickly as possible.
There are products with more memory sizes on both brands. The 7850 can OC a lot more than 100mhz.
Both companies makes good cards and are on par with the price/performance. If you plan on OC for free performance then a 7850 or 7950 are the champs IMO and the general consensus. If you want CUDA and PhysX then Nvidia is the only option. SLI is still slightly better than Crossfire IMO. Right now, the current game bundles makes AMD the best value if those games matters to you.
about time someone said something! also it takes many people to test/judge a drivers performance!
I still use a 460OC 1GB.
I'm trying to get all the power. Now it's OC to CoreClock 825Mhz - Memory 2000Mhz
The CPU is up to 4.0GHz with good temps.
I'm waiting to know the true specifications of new Xbox and PS4.
Maybe, with a 7850 I can make good gaming PC (not to play in High) for a couple of years.
wAt mean U?!
7870 normal or LE will be just perfect for everyones gaming needs. Except the case you have a triple screen setup or a 27-30" one.
I always play in high and ultra with my 7850. A lot of presets uses AA. Try with and without it to see if it's worth the massive hit in fps.
A 965BE shouldn't be too big of a bottleneck but a newer I5/I7 will net around 20% increase. I think you would be fine with a 660TI or 7950
20% lower average fps means it is taking a much bigger hit when there's a lot of action. Min frames is more important than average fps. If I see a 20% difference in frames from different CPU then I would consider that a pretty big bottleneck actually. That's just my opinion though.
If it is 1080P then it would not be much of a bottle neck especially if its OCed. He would just have to buy the card and test to see if he likes it or if it chokes the 965 out.
The problem is that the 965 is fine most of the time. When it chokes is when the action gets intense. It is also when you need it not to choke the most as your input is most critical in these situations. Benchmarks will show you that it falls behind in bandwidth and IPC compared to the newer i5 and i7. Not bashing AMD, it was an excellent chip when it was new but we are 3 generations later already so it's a little behind.
I will have to test this on my Unlocked phenom II quad but under BF3 on a 5770 all medium it does quite well. again this is a low end card I am using.
64 player frag fest is guaranteed to cripple it. In starcraft 2 when everyone maxes pop and attack, it gets choppy, in 6-8 player company of heroes multiplay and everyone start fighting at the same time with max pop it'll get really choppy. These are just a few examples i experienced myself. You can avoid this by turning down settings but what's the point of that.
Just saying that i5 + 7850 will give you better game play than phenom II + 7950. You won't get higher max frames or average fps but you'll definitely get higher min frames when it counts.
How can I know if a 7870 is Tahiti LE or not??
I can get one of this Gigabyte GV-R787OC-2GD at work, for 190€ (250$) instead of the shop price 227€.
I'm not sure if it is a Tahiti version or not. Is there any way to know it?.
I can get one of this too, all gigabyte:
7850 GV-R785OC-2GD for 150€ (195$) instead of 188€ in shops.
7870 GV-R787OC-2GD for 190€ (250$) instead of 227€ in shops.
660 GV-N660OC-2GD for 164€ (214$) instead of 200€ in shops.
660Ti GV-N66TOC-2GD for 220€ (287$) instead of 270€ in shops.
Wich one do you choose?
Also, I could sell my old 460, to get a bit of cash.
Tahiti has more shaders than a regular 7870.
Judging from prices, the 660 is the best deal unless you want the games that the AMD cards bundles with.
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