Bill Allows Obama Power to Shut Down Internet

[DrPepper]

Khajuraho wasn't really porn in its time. Its more or less a depiction of what was kosher back then (when Islam didn't didn't establish itself in the Indian society). Today it looks porn because it's world order for women to have their breasts covered. That wasn't an order with Indians back then, not even with princesses.

So thats what all the old people meant by the good old days

or to socialist healthcare.

Why wouldn't you pay less for pretty much the same health care ?

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Khajuraho wasn't really porn in its time. Its more or less a depiction of what was kosher back then (when Islam didn't didn't establish itself in the Indian society). Today it looks porn because it's world order for women to have their breasts covered. That wasn't an order with Indians back then, not even with princesses.

Thank you for that. I didn't know that. My knowledge of Indian culture before the Islamic movement is really low.

Why wouldn't you pay less for pretty much the same health care ?

We would even have less lines at the emergency room. Judging by the infant mortality rate and rate of staff infection, we would have better care than we do now.

But we would still have healthcare in the private sector if we had a national healthcare system. Just the low income people would go for the free services and the pay services would offer less waiting and maybe better care and more options.

 

[Wile E]

So thats what all the old people meant by the good old days



Why wouldn't you pay less for pretty much the same health care ?

It wouldn't be the same quality of health care. I have family in both Canada and Europe, and they have to wait an extraordinarily long time for routine visits, compared to the US.

Not only that, I have a hard enough time paying for my own healthcare, I'm not gonna pay for someone else's as well. What is needed is better regulation, not socialist healthcare.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Obama's views are badged Socialist by the republican media. All of his policies make us more like Europe, Canada, and the rest of the "1st world"(all very prosperous nations with high standard of living like us). By your definition then these nations are all socialist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

You forget that we are the most prosperous country on the planet and that is with a capitalist economy governed by a Constiutional Federal Republic. Being like "Europe, Canada, and the rest of the 'first world'" is a downgrade, not an upgrade.

Notice how all the "first world" countries were never tainted by Communism. The "second world" countries are those that were. The "third world" countries are still pre-industrial, have limited resources available, controlled by selfish dictators, and/or too busy killing each other to prosper.

 

[DrPepper]

It wouldn't be the same quality of health care. I have family in both Canada and Europe, and they have to wait an extraordinarily long time for routine visits, compared to the US.

Not only that, I have a hard enough time paying for my own healthcare, I'm not gonna pay for someone else's as well. What is needed is better regulation, not socialist healthcare.

If it was the same system as here then you wouldn't pay much plus you have the option of private healthcare if you wish. Personally I think the NHS could do better but the lifespan in europe is higher than american despite our healthcare systems having lower quality. If any not by much. Also your paying for someone else's healthcare and they are paying for yours it works out to be cheaper.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

It wouldn't be the same quality of health care. I have family in both Canada and Europe, and they have to wait an extraordinarily long time for routine visits, compared to the US.

Not only that, I have a hard enough time paying for my own healthcare, I'm not gonna pay for someone else's as well. What is needed is better regulation, not socialist healthcare.

I don't think regulation is the problem. There are a few main problems with the current healthcare system:
1) Equipment, especially surgery and imaging, is extraordinarily expensive.
2) Staff wages are paid very well and the wages need to raise with inflation.
3) Staff getting sued.
4) Prescription prices are extremely high. There needs to be massive legal drug business reform. Two things I think need to be done here:
a) Make it illegal to advertise to the public for prescription medications. That is for doctors to know and you to find out.
b) Patents on drugs must expire in no less than 6 months from the date the patent is registered.
5) Patients need to know the costs up front, not two weeks after the fact. Healthcare should be more of a contractual obligation of service rather than a pay-as-you-go service. Pay-as-you-go means people declaring bankruptcy and also facilitates the need for insurance corps. This would also lead to competition among health care facilities for more expensive, no immediate care necessary, treatments.
6) Perhaps all companies involved in health of human beings should be required to be not-for-profit. They can spend some of those excess profits on paying off debts consumers couldn't pay (must provide service even if you can't afford it clause) rather than expanding their empire. The alternative to this is removing the clause and allowing healthcare facilities to turn patients away (which I doubt anyone would go for). The homeless and the mentally unstable cause millions of dollars of damage annually because of that clause which the healthcare system must absorb (inflating costs).

I believe addressing #5, especially, would cause healthcare prices to drop dramatically and may even mean a lot of younger, health people from not needing insurance at all.

It is more important to reduce costs than it is to have socialized health insurance. Remember, the entire concept of health insurance is an effect to the cause that is the underlying healthcare costs.

 

[WhiteLotus]

I thought China loaned a huge sum of money to the USA to help pay for the whooping budget deficit they have? One reason why America is such a "prosperous" is because you have a habit of creating money from nothing and somehow run up a huge debt with out it (until now) effecting the economy.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

China has been buying up USA debt because China doesn't spend outside of their means. Still, the USA GDP is twice as high for only having one-third/one-quarter the population.

There's a lot to the public debt/poor spending habits issue inside the USA but...it is a complex subject.

 

[WhiteLotus]

So technically China owns some of the USA?

 

[DrPepper]

So technically China owns some of the USA?

Yes if the USA can't pay up.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Governments can't own other governments without political control which is usually directly connected to militarist control. They may own some debt because they are likely to profit from it but in terms of influence, it doesn't get them very far. The people either have to choose to allow another government to take over or they have to be taken over by force. It isn't like a corporate takeover where buying up one companies assets, liabilities, and capital results in complete dissolvancy of said company.


The problem back in September 2008 was one leg of the economy collapsing (banking). The same leg that collapsed on Black Tuesday back in the 1930's. It wasn't so much to do with public debt as it is with people buying houses they can't afford, foreclosing, and the bank sitting on a worthless assets they can't liquidate. If banks (especially the bigger, international banks) did better credit checks and were willing to say no to people, it never would have happened.

 

[troyrae360]

surley the American govenment has got to be the most corrupt

 

[DaedalusHelios]

surley the American govenment has got to be the most corrupt

Are you trying to be serious?

 

[v12dock]

Socialism FTL

 

[SK-1]

Surely the American government has got to be the most corrupt

Its not, and stop calling me Shirley

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Its not, and stop calling me Shirley

I don't think he has heard what Mexico has been going through in the last 80 years. USA is far from the most corrupt.

 

[TheMailMan78]

1. I meant pornography in modern media because conservative interests fought it for years. There are a tons of examples if you need them. *Watch it with the insults please*


2. If they decided to detain you in a secret prison under false pretenses it would. Also you would have no legal reprecussion under that system so good luck fighting that. Of course you are not islamic so you probably wouldn't care what would happen to them anyway.


3. Obama couldn't revoke it because they would act like he was not trying to protect America. Just the same as they always do if you ever question their defense spending even if its in failed technology.

4.Lincoln only wanted to weaken the south since the labor there was slave labor. They still had slavery in the North until after the Civil War. Lincoln was shot for the crap he did to the south in the reconstruction period. England and its empire, offered to assist the South in the civil war if they agreed to revoke slave labor but the South declined. That is called European policy, the English empire was considered part of Europe.

5. MLK was a republican because the parties switched on the topic of civil rights and he then became a democrat because of the platform shift that ocurred thanks to JFK. Its all over the internet and history books. Just read about what formed the Dixie-crats.

Hopefully you will read that. If you need elaboration I can help with that too. Its most likely on Wikipedia for a quick reference too.

1. What you meant and what you said are two different things. Given this new context Ill agree with you. You have to admit however without the context you just gave me the statement was dumb

2. Again I never said the patriot act was a good idea. It was an over the top knee jerk reaction. Obama however hasn't done ANYTHING to restore the rights the Patriot act took away. But he did already have Jordan and Bird over to the White House the first week he was in office. So we went from shooting ducks to shooting hoops. I guess thats "Change". Obama is just another politician except hes spent more money in 100 days than all American wars COMBINED and adjusted for INFLATION. :shadedshu If he really wanted to stimulate the economy he could have given each American a million bucks. But no. We have to make sure big business stays afloat with no penalty and no adjustment to a failed strategy. The good news is now the "people" own in part a bunch of defunct banks.

3. Say what you will about Bush but he wouldn't be afraid to revoke a bill he didn't believe in. This is one thing I hate about Obama. Hes so concerned with self image he wont do anything really productive.

4. I'm not going to go back and forth with the Republican vs. Democrat debate. But to be clear nether of these parties are what they started out to be. Republican have voted more civil rights bills in than the Democrats. Thats a fact. And a Democrat dropped a nuke on a civilian target. All this is besides the point now. I consider myself a Republican because I believe in brutal capitalism. Other than that I am disgusted with our government. I have been since before Bush.

6. MLK was a good man. Not great but who is. JFK was a bastard. The only reason MLK "shifted" to the Democrats was because JFK threw his support behind him. As for the Dixie-crats they gave us Jimmy Carter. Do I really need to say more? :shadedshu

 

[SK-1]

I wonder if he at least bought the horse dinner.

 

[btarunr]

Oh BTA I'm not referring to the hot topless Indian chicks man. I'm talking about.....

Those sculptures are erotic by today's perspective. I don't mean to say that couples in erotic positions were a common sight then, but that people didn't attach importance to eroticism and sexuality. The builders of the temple then thought they could make something "new age" and ahead of times. People still went there more for the religion, than for a fap-orgy. Those sculptures were mere decoration. Anyway, find out for yourself later this year.

You Indians sure know how to have a good time! With women as hot as yours who could blame ya!

Even if that was sarcasm, you have the our population figures to back that.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Those sculptures are erotic by today's perspective. I don't mean to say that couples in erotic positions were a common sight then, but that people didn't attach importance to eroticism and sexuality. The builders of the temple then thought they could make something "new age" and ahead of times. People still went there more for the religion, than for a fap-orgy. Those sculptures were mere decoration. Anyway, find out for yourself later this year.




Even if that was sarcasm, you have the our population figures to back that.

No way man. I honestly find Indian women VERY attractive. I wasn't being sarcastic at all. It was more of a compliment Anyway that temple is about the celebration of life is it not? Also what do you mean "Anyway, find out for yourself later this year."

 

[btarunr]

Also what do you mean "Anyway, find out for yourself later this year."

Aren't you coming over (in a large USPS box) for a Kaziranga excursion? Oh. Just realised it wasn't located in the state this temple is

 

[TheMailMan78]

Aren't you coming over (in a large USPS box) for a Kaziranga excursion? Oh. Just realised it wasn't located in the state this temple is

I wasnt sure if thats what you were talking about. Well the plan was to come over sometime this year but I think I might be strapped for cash. I should know in a few months. If so Ill buy ya a Cobra (Beer)

 

[MohawkAngel]

I live in Quebec and I have a 56k telephone landline and windows XP firewall...they wont take me alive hahaha!!!!(psychotic laugh)

just kidding of course

 

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

I live in Quebec and I have a 56k telephone landline and windows XP firewall...they wont take me alive hahaha!!!!(psychotic laugh)

just kidding of course

Hey, how's things in Montreal? Gosh, I miss it there. I'll have to setup a visit this summer to go get toasted on a terrasse aux vieux port!

56k and back to the old BBS's will definitely be the way to go if this ever goes worldwide but I think it'll be mostly the US cutting itself off from the world as it has almost done under the Bush admin, so not to worry. The department of Homeland security fingerprinted me, took a mugshot and walked me back to the Champlain border a few years back just because I was honest, not because they found any dirt on me in their computers!! Now I have to pay an exorbitant amount of money and send them my itinerary 6 months in advance if I plan to visit. They just lost one tourist. They did the same at the Detroit border a year ago to 2 women who volunteer with a relief org. for hurricane Katrina victims. Detained for 3 hours, printed and mugged because of incomplete paperwork!!