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Breaking News: Users Sueing FBI for MegaUpload closure

Discussion in 'General Software' started by stinger608, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. stinger608

    stinger608 Dedicated TPU Cruncher & Folder

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    In a breaking report users of the recently shut down MegaUpload are claiming litigation

    against the Unites States own FBI. Even though it is a known fact that some were using

    MegaUpload for piracy it is also a known fact that hundreds of thousands at least were using

    the site to store personal data and data that he or she needed to share for work related

    projects.

    From author Eresto at TorrentFreak:
    My question has to be; why, knowing the type of site that MegaUpload was, would

    anyone trust putting critical information that one does not have anywhere else on the site?

    Now due to the fact that many people are unsure if they will in fact get their information

    back have teamed up with Pirata.Cat in an effort to bring litigation against the Federal

    bureau of Investigation in the United States.


    For further research you can click the references below and then draw your own conclusion

    to how you believe this should be handled. Personally I have to form an opinion that; if a

    person is going to trust putting important information on sites such as MegaUpload then he

    or she has to expect loosing the information at some point. Right? Wrong? Lets here other

    opinions.


    References:

    Ernesto @ TorrentFreak, January 26th, 2012: http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-users-plan-to-sue-the-fbi-over-lost-files-120126/

    Pirata.Cat: http://megaupload.pirata.cat/
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  2. the54thvoid

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    It would be silly to trust one site only and have no back up. It would also be prudent to have read the sites T&C's for stored data. That section of small print may contain the only elements that are not open to opinion. i.e what does it state the legal position of the data owner is in should data be lost?
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    stinger608 Dedicated TPU Cruncher & Folder

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    LOL yea your right Void. What is the EULA so to speak on sites such as MegaUpload? I am sure there is a disclosure that states if information is lost they are not held countable. Of course would that pertain to the FBI?
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  4. W1zzard

    W1zzard Administrator Staff Member

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    so i gave a loan to the mafia, the mafia got busted, now i sue the fbi because i want my money back ?
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    Sounds legit. ;)
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  6. Live OR Die

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    I say the FBI should of gave a 24hour dead line not just shut the site down with out letting people get there personal data back, The FBI can suck my ballz.
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    Wrigleyvillain PTFO or GTFO

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    Well W1zz I prefer the analogy of the crack ho who called the cops when she was ripped off by a dealer but yours works too. Someone who would use MU for legit personal or work files with no other backup is about as smart too.
  8. Live OR Die

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    You forget not every one knows about whats going on online or downloads grandma porn like you some people only use the net for emails and transferring data and because MU offered a lifetime account a lot of people would of picked it for this reason.
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    The mafia also have a legitimate bit of business on the side though. So I guess for that they have a point.
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    Wrigleyvillain PTFO or GTFO

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    Anyone who couldn't tell MU was shady and that it probably wasn't the most wise and secure choice for legit data pretty much deserves what they lost. Live and learn (the hard way).
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    If the loan was given under legitimate pretenses, why not? Just because you're a "criminal" doesn't make everything you do illegal.

    Say you stole your neighbours boat, to go save a kid drowning in a lake..do you go to jail for stealing the boat, and ignore the life saved?

    Not likely. So why is it any different in reverse?


    :D

    Not that I agree 100% with the megaupload thing, but the peopel that were legitimate paying customers need to ahve some sort of recourse for compensation, depending on the agreement made with megaupload for those services. If the reason for loss of service was out of Megaupload's control, then it's only natural to pursue action against the party responsible for the loss. Excellent case for a jury, IMHO.
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    MU hosted 3-4 times more legit content than pirate, and while they allowed alot of misuse to occur it is no different than sharing a large anon e-mail account to share content with friends.

    Are they going to shutdown yahoo, msn, google, and many of the other free e-mail providers as they could be or are moving copyright content?
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    I think you make an excellent point and example Steevo! Hell anyone with an FTP site could be sharing copyright material as well. How would the government shut all the millions of them down?
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    if you do bad stuff(tm) on a hosted server, a DMCA complaint will get you shut down. Takes 5 minutes to write and send and your hoster will take care of it.

    I'm sending like one a month to guys stealing our content. It always works (even outside the US).
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    Meanie!!!!!

    There is a shitload of free software to host your own, I have before so my parents could get pics of my kids and such. Or RDC to my home PC. All they are doing is making it harder for them to find the hardcore pirates by shutting it down.
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    This should make thing's more interesting.
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    FordGT90Concept "I go fast!1!11!1!"

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    I hope this succeeds. What the FBI did was the eqvuilent of seizing a 40 story building when there was a drug lab only on the 39th floor. They could have issued specific orders to MegaUpload like the same policy FileSonic adapted on their own accord (only download what you upload). They could have also ordered them to stop accepting uploads while they investigate the claims. There's no reason (and I'd argue no authority) for them to seize an entire domain name--especially one that wasn't based out of the USA. It is quite the blatant abuse of power.
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    The fact remains, it's entirely too suspicious that they decided MegaUpload was a problem after both SOPA\PIPA were shot down, and MegaBox was announced. MU wasn't exactly a new site, they had been offering the same service for years, but now the FBI decided they just had to go? I don't like the guy that ran MU, but I hate this unilateral authority that the FBI apparently has even more.
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    Meh :p
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    You assume that 1: the loaner knew that the loanee was part of the mafia; 2: the loan was offered to a non-legitimate source.


    Under your example, consider the following:
    I loan a sum of money to Bill's pet shop. Bill's pet shop was discovered to have been a mafia front, in order to launder money. The IRS does an audit, discovers the laundering, and shuts down the shop. You have made a legal loan, to a legal company, and go to court in order to get the sum of your money back, because the IRS froze the accounts. Legal lenders have been screwed, because they cannot get their money back. The mafia is hurt, but they'll find another front so fast that it isn't funny.

    You haven't solved the problem, you've shut down a business without ever addressing the problem. The people who offered a legal loan are screwed.



    So yeah, I can see legal action being leveled. The timing of the shutdown doesn't seem coincidental, but I'm not yet prepared to jump on the conspiracy bus just yet. Shutting down a website, without any substantial charges leveled (see the court case for the BS math and assumptions made in the legal case), is idiotic. I hope the legal action is successful, but don't see it as such. Every time someone is shot down in court another "harmed party" will arise to try and keep legal action going. The real question is how much of a legal precedent this action will make.

    I'm not voting for any incumbent candidates. Hopefully another decimation within our government will let them know that this BS is intolerable. Nothing worse to a career politician than not having a career.
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    Sueing FBI is the same as suing God for fucking this world up. It's a waste of time.
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    "God" didn't fuck the world up, we did.
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    The only analogy I could think of was;

    You store your valuables in a Safety Deposit Box in a legal storage facility--MegaBank we'll call it. Some people are reported to have also stored some stolen money in MegaBank, so the FBI closes the bank, arrests the owner, and refuses anyone entrance to retrieve their valuables--while simultaneously threatening to burn it to the ground. You did nothing wrong, yet you are still being punished by the actions of others.

    I think they have a valid case since the FBI essentially just stacked a bunch of charges up against MegaUpload and took them down without anu real notification.
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    I've used MegaUpload for legal stuff only as well. It was the best looking webpage with really fast servers and it wasn't crowded with moronic ads and counters or crappy limitations. It just worked and i loved it as a disposable or even a long term service. And now it's gone :(

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