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Hey, been away from PC building awhile now, but my friend wanted a new computer so i offered to help him out a bit. The goal was to build a budget gaming pc with a new mobo, cpu and ram and rest of the bits scavanged from his old PC.

So, we seleced out parts that fit what he desired and made sure the price range was fine, BUT now we come to the problem, you see im not sure if the CPU, mobo and ram combo will play nice with eachother out of the box.

so here is the combo:
AMD FX-8300
ASUS M5A78L-M LX3
KINGSTON HyperX Fury Black Series 8GB(2x 4GB) 1600mhz CL10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104446

Please keep in mind he will not OC the system, so everything will be at stock clocks.

So please would someone with more knowledge on PCs see if those part will work together.
Will the mobo work with both the cpu and Ram ?
Will the CPU run into stability issues even at stock speeds because of the 4pin power connector ?
Will the ram work at the the speed it was designed?
 
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It should be OK.
 

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That motherboard is really underpowered for a 8-Core CPU. I'm worried that VRM is going to overheat and throttle the CPU.
 

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Thanks for the feedback, there is a another option for mobo, but that would push our budged to the max.
MSI 970A-G43

is that a better option for stabilty ?
 

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Really, if you can't afford a better motherbord, might be better off with the AMD 6 core, if you start adding any volts for an overclock you could loose everything (for the 8 core setup) They really put a strain on the VRM when overclocked and it is so tempting to overclock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286
 

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Really, if you can't afford a better motherbord, might be better off with the AMD 6 core, if you start adding any volts for an overclock you could loose everything (for the 8 core setup) They really put a strain on the VRM when overclocked and it is so tempting to overclock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286
agreed, get the 6 core amd FX6300 setup ... better option, you will need a better motherboard for a FX 8350 processor,
 
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Just out of curiosity, what PSU does he have?
 
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He is using OCZ StealthXStream 600 W PSU.

that thing is bad No offense. The 4X 12V rail is REALLY bad , since the title says Gaming PC, im gonna guess your adding a dGPU. Might need to save your pennies up for a better backbone to Your rig.
Since the PSU is arguably the MOST important part. if it Goes, it could ALL go.

this ones 30usd after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027
notice the 40amp SINGLE 12V rail.
id go for the 600Watt tho.
 
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Please, please, please don't buy a 760G based motherboard for a gaming PC. Nothing but headaches ahead.
This EVGA GS-550 is twice the price, after MIR, of that CX600 PSU but has much better reviews.
I'd rather see an i3-4160 with an inexpensive 1150 motherboard. The CPU could be upgraded latter, if needed.
 
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Ok, so i talked to my friend and he said that he is willing to push upgrade to next month so we can get a better mobo. so will this new combo work ? Again there will be no OCing and primary goal is stability.

AMD FX 8300
Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P Rev 2.0
Kingston HyperX Fury Black Series 8GB(2x4GB) 1600MHz CL10

The scavanged parts from old PC will be:
1 sata HDD
1 dvd drive
1 R9 270
and OCZ StealthXStream 600 W
(as this is a budget build scavanged components will not be changed,if there is problems with PSU then that will be handled later).
 
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Looks good, but seriously consider what has been said about that PSU.

I have had ONE take out the MB and CPU in a cloud of smoke!!

Fortunately, it happened a week after it was built, the place that built it for me replaced it all. Right now, you are on your own, no warranty period.

I would be a little leary pushing that PSU, like an FX 8300 and a 270 will do while gaming.

I would do little else than surf the web with it, searching for a decent PSU!! I would not game on it until that PSU is replaced. It could do some serious damage, if it decides to go!!
 
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What CPU does he currently have?
 
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I would still go with an FX 6300, save a little extra, it wont be worth the 83xx for a 270. It will pretty much be GPU limited in pretty much every game with exceptions in MMO's and RTS games.
 

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What CPU does he currently have?
Right now he has a core 2 duo E8600, and some intel made mobo, with 4GB of ddr2 ram

I would still go with an FX 6300, save a little extra, it wont be worth the 83xx for a 270. It will pretty much be GPU limited in pretty much every game with exceptions in MMO's and RTS games.
He was very persistent on it being 8 core because the PS4 and xbox one have 8 core cpus and he think its only matter of time when games will need 8 cores and he wants to future proof.

As you can see from post above he does not upgrade his PC often.
 
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He was very persistent on it being 8 core because the PS4 and xbox one have 8 core cpus and he think its only matter of time when games will need 8 cores and he wants to future proof. As you can see from post above he does not upgrade his PC often.
more than 4 cores is wasting, most apps just run fine with dual core processor and if you do multi tasking you better take quad core processor.
more cores is more expensive and back to the title its a budget build, i suggest take just quad core processor and put the money for something else, like better board or some snacks
 
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Ok, so i talked to my friend and he said that he is willing to push upgrade to next month so we can get a better mobo. so will this new combo work ? Again there will be no OCing and primary goal is stability.

AMD FX 8300
Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P Rev 2.0
Kingston HyperX Fury Black Series 8GB(2x4GB) 1600MHz CL10

The scavanged parts from old PC will be:
1 sata HDD
1 dvd drive
1 R9 270
and OCZ StealthXStream 600 W
(as this is a budget build scavanged components will not be changed,if there is problems with PSU then that will be handled later).
This looks fine to me. I have no experience with that psu so I can't tell you if it's bad or good but 600 W is enough for what he wants.
 

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He was very persistent on it being 8 core because the PS4 and xbox one have 8 core cpus and he think its only matter of time when games will need 8 cores and he wants to future proof.

As you can see from post above he does not upgrade his PC often.
it's too hard to show your friend this forum where many people is telling you about getting the correct processor?

FX6300 will be the best option for this budget build, getting a cheap processor will make you save more money for a decent motherboard for example, msi Kreait or gigabyte 990FX ud5, also there are several 8GB 2x4GB DDR3 memory kits available for a decent price so you can save pretty penny,

let us know how much is your budget for the rig or parts and where are you located,

PD: in less words, PS4 and Xbox are not the same and cannot be compared to a PC…. PC gaming is pretty much different and also cannot be compared to a console ….so don’t mess things up fella…
 

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if there is problems with PSU then that will be handled later

I don't forsee any problem with the PSU.

The 4X 12V rail is REALLY bad

No it isn't. The PSU has a single 48a 12v rail, it just has 4 OCP circuits. There is nothing wrong or bad with this design. The only issue comes if you manage to overload one of the OCP circuit, which will just cause the computer to shut down. It isn't going to cause any damage. And really, if you manage to overload a rail, you've hooked something up wrong.

I would be a little leary pushing that PSU, like an FX 8300 and a 270 will do while gaming.

I would do little else than surf the web with it, searching for a decent PSU!! I would not game on it until that PSU is replaced. It could do some serious damage, if it decides to go!!

Why would you be leary? It is a decent FSP built unit. And as I said, if one of the "rails" is overloaded the OCP will shut the unit down before any damage is done. But I don't see any of the rails being overloaded with the hardware going in the machine. The CPU might get close to the 216w if he was overclocking, but he already said he didn't plan to do that. The R9 270 isn't going to come anywhere near 216w. So I really don't see any issue here.
 
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I don't forsee any problem with the PSU.

Why would you be leary? It is a decent FSP built unit. And as I said, if one of the "rails" is overloaded the OCP will shut the unit down before any damage is done. But I don't see any of the rails being overloaded with the hardware going in the machine. The CPU might get close to the 216w if he was overclocking, but he already said he didn't plan to do that. The R9 270 isn't going to come anywhere near 216w. So I really don't see any issue here.

You are probably right but, it is a 2008 model, why not get a new PSU?

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs550amaag1
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs650amaag1

These are both sub $100 GOLD PSU's with single rails of 45A or 54A.

3 Corsairs, Sub $100!! Any of these three will do the job, nicely.

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/compa...wer-supply-cs650m,corsair-power-supply-rm550/

OK, so, NOW, I have nothing else to say. :D

Good luck with the Build!!
 
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He was very persistent on it being 8 core because the PS4 and xbox one have 8 core cpus and he think its only matter of time when games will need 8 cores and he wants to future proof.

As you can see from post above he does not upgrade his PC often.

Current DX12 benchmarks are not showing any scaling beyond 6 cores. Console CPU cannot be compared to PC currently, Different API's (although DX12 is bringing this more inline) and distribution of resource is also quite different. I believe the 6 core will have as much longevity as the 8, you have to build around a budget. I think most people are just concerned about running into issue with power delivery. Honestly, for the FX 8 core I wouldn't look at anything less than a 990FX board. At that point maybe an i5 system (non-K) no overclocking might be a better option.
 

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You are probably right but, it is a 2008 model, why not get a new PSU?

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs550amaag1
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs650amaag1

These are both sub $100 GOLD PSU's with single rails of 45A or 54A.

3 Corsairs, Sub $100!! Any of these three will do the job, nicely.

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/compare/corsair-power-supply-cs550m,corsair-power-supply-cs650m,corsair-power-supply-rm550/

OK, so, NOW, I have nothing else to say. :D

Good luck with the Build!!


I certainly don't think a new PSU is a bad suggestion, but we are using an $85 motherboard and he has to wait a month to save the money just for that. So even a sub-$100 PSU is probably out of the question. Plus, a PSU is easy to replace down the line, so I say build the computer with the old PSU, and upgrade it in a few months when the money is available.

I'd be more worried if the computer was likely to be close to the max of the PSU, but it really isn't. It'd be lucky to get to 400w of load on the PSU.
 
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That motherboard is really underpowered for a 8-Core CPU. I'm worried that VRM is going to overheat and throttle the CPU.
^^This x1000.

OP do not get that board, it's a 760G chipset which belongs in a museum. M5A97-Evo or ASUS-99X/990X would be my suggestion,

I'm skeptical of any MSI AM3+ chipsets, mainly cuz the early revisions didn't have capable VRM's....Maybe the newer models have improved......?


Btw if a half decent motherboard means dropping to a 6 core CPU then go for it. You'll be better off. With a 270 your mate wouldn't see the difference anyway. I woukldn';t go to 4 though...

If u like I can bench 6 vs 8 and post the results, I have an 8320 and W10.

Btw buying an FX and not overclocking is a sin. :p When your mate gets some more cash together he really should invest in a decent cooler and overclock, otherwise it's waste... :)
 
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