budget gaming amd build

[hoyoyo]

Hi forumers,

I would like a second pc build for gaming. But i dont want it to be too pricey. I already have i7 with 290x sitting nice at my living room. So the next flavour will be AMD

Ive read benchmark regarding FX and APU lines. FX was stated to be dead but look like still good alternative build and APU, as for now 7850K is the highest end for it.

But, 7850K price is higher than FX8320 and nearly hit i5 price at my place. I also read the APU is ONLY good if you dont have GPU. But i am planning to get a seperate GPU. It is good for me to just go to cheaper APU let say 6800K that is faster in Ghz and pair it with midrange card for say gtx960 or 260-270 gpu( but prefer nvidia for the build) or..Go for the dead socket FX 6300-6350

Thanks

 

[Ebo]

I would go for the APU 7850K, then put a 260 in it for crossfire, and you have a decent platform to game on.
AM3+ platform is dead once Zen comes out in Q4 this year if roumors are right.

 

[hoyoyo]

What? Can i support higher ati card...let say 260x? 7850k is superbly pricey, near i5 4460 price. 7700K big difference?

 

[Caring1]

Like you said, you could put in the higher clocked 6800k and then use a gtx 960 or 970 and it would still do what you ask of it.
I would go that route just based on price.

 

[hoyoyo]

yes. i am going to save some money for this build (put in my bedroom). i will completely ignore the apu-"gpu" capabilities but unsure a10 7850k is better than 6800k in gpu processing only. if the cpu processing is about the same i will go for 6800K.

Added: I also care less about video encoding, photoshop and such. i wlll connect this one to tv and use wireless mini keyboard and gamepad.

 

[m0nt3]

if your going gpu why not something like the Athlon 860k? Its basically kavari without the integrated video (that is if you dont want to go FX)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...3379&cm_re=Athlon_860K-_-19-113-379-_-Product

 

[hoyoyo]

Ive been looking for this, but sadly no supplier bring this to my country Malaysia XD. hihih. BTW thanks for the suggestion.

ADDED :Ive never purchase anything outside country, maybe itry ur link. Neweggs is reliable,right?

 

[m0nt3]

I think newegg only ships to USA and canada. Other than that, very reliable, used them for 12 years now.

 

[xvi]

Sure, AM3 socket is nearing the end of its lifespan, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. If you're planning on not using the GPU side on one of AMD's APUs, I'd pick up a FX-6300 or something. I didn't see a budget, but find one used and pop whatever GPU in that makes you happy. It being a "dying socket" just means there should be inexpensive used parts.
For bonus points, slap on a Hyper 212 Evo and a mild overclock. Could probably land it somewhere in the ~4.4 to 4.6GHz range without going crazy on voltage.

 

[hoyoyo]

Thanks. I also think of it. here fx6350=6800K price. amd price range very confusing but it our brain move by researching. haha.
Ok, how to optimized amd build? do i need high frequency ram, 1866 and above? How about psu? Regular brand like Xigmatek 500W suffice for amd?

 

[xvi]

High speed memory is only useful if you're using an APU (GPU memory benefits from it). Higher speed memory still helps, just not a whole lot. If you can pick up DDR3-1866 or something faster without a big increase in price, you might as well go for it.
Nothing special for PSU, just same thing you'd use for an Intel build.

 

[Devon68]

Well I might go for a FX 6350 and a R9 270x or even a 280x. Many might say you need a motherboard with the 990 chipset to overclock and stuff but I've got the cheapest board possible and while I cant overclock I'm still running fine since December 2012. If you want to go with the nvidia route maybe a GTX 960 would be good or a GTX 760.

 

[Caring1]

Thanks. I also think of it. here fx6350=6800K price. amd price range very confusing but it our brain move by researching. haha.
Ok, how to optimized amd build? do i need high frequency ram, 1866 and above? How about psu? Regular brand like Xigmatek 500W suffice for amd?

Ram 1600 or higher works well with AMD, although there is minimal visible difference.
Xigmatek are ok for PSU's, just make sure it is a quality unit, silver, gold or platinum rating.
Seasonic are probably the best but cost more.

 

[krusha03]

Prices are different in different regions so maybe post a website where you will order the prices so we can get the feel of how are things there. Also you never mentioned your budget. How much are you willing to spend?

 

[rruff]

Sure, AM3 socket is nearing the end of its lifespan, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. If you're planning on not using the GPU side on one of AMD's APUs, I'd pick up a FX-6300 or something.

I completely agree with this. Crossfiring an APU on day 1 isn't a good idea from everything I've read (poor FPS/$). Plus I don't see the "dead socket" being an issue. You could get a 4-core FX now (would be as fast as any APU) and upgrade to an 8-core down the road if you wanted. If you wanted to upgrade to a more modern CPU down the road, you'd need a new MB anyway.

OP: We could advise a lot better if we knew what prices are in your country.

 

[Ferrum Master]

You still cannot kill Anniversary Pentium + H81 combo on the low end market, especially for gaming. Save money on more crappy ram, and take a better GPU and all good.

 

[xvi]

I completely agree with this. Crossfiring an APU on day 1 isn't a good idea from everything I've read (poor FPS/$). Plus I don't see the "dead socket" being an issue. You could get a 4-core FX now (would be as fast as any APU) and upgrade to an 8-core down the road if you wanted. If you wanted to upgrade to a more modern CPU down the road, you'd need a new MB anyway.

OP: We could advise a lot better if we knew what prices are in your country.

Mhmm. That's my point. It's still a viable option.

You still cannot kill Anniversary Pentium + H81 combo on the low end market, especially for gaming. Save money on more crappy ram, and take a better GPU and all good.

Just to weigh in, I have a rig with an Anniversary Edition Pentium that did really well at gaming (when overclocked). It'll be slow in a few scenarios here and there, but should be really nice overall. OP mentioned wanting to do an AMD build just because though. There's decently good value in them there AMD processors.

 

[hoyoyo]

Fx6300 myr400
Fx6350 myr488
Fx8320 myr555
Fx8350 myr650

6800K myr480
7700K myr520
7850K myr630

I5 4460 myr659

Myr is malaysian ringgit. To be honest,no budget limit. But i do want price performance for amd. Otherwise i5+cheap mobo is too straightfwd ( and its no AMD).

Thanks

 

[rruff]

Myr is malaysian ringgit. To be honest,no budget limit. But i do want price performance for amd. Otherwise i5+cheap mobo is too straightfwd ( and its no AMD).

Given those options, I'd go with the 6300 and a decent GPU.

One thing you might consider if you want something *not* straightforward is an old 5660 Xeon and an X58 1366 motherboard. ~$200 total in the US (used). Not sure if you can get them where you live. Maybe some on ebay would ship. They seem to overclock well and don't give up that much to Haswell. Faster than anything AMD makes for sure. 6 cores and 12 threads is bad ass, man! It's also kinda cool to have a CPU that was $1500 when new. Anyway that's what I'd get if I could invent some reason why I "need" it.

 

[xvi]

If you're not too worried about budget (or actually even if you are) and it's just a little gaming machine to experiment around with, I'd say FX-6350 and a midrange board (I like ASRock myself). It should be inexpensive enough, but still pack a bit of a punch.

CPU wise, the FX 6300/6350 is just as fast single-threaded and faster multi-threaded compared the the 4850K APU. If you're planning on only using a dedicated GPU, I would take the APUs out of the list.

 

[hoyoyo]

Now im leaning to fx6350( im no Ocer) And Asus motherboard.
Before that is there any news or your opinion on chances fm2+ will receive a better high end or fm2+ will be mainlt for apu.

 

[xvi]

im no Ocer

Unlocked AMD processors are a good place to learn.
Just raise the CPU multi until it crashes or gets too hot, then take it down a notch or two. Test for stability and done. Free performance.

Asus motherboard

In my humble opinion, I think you pay a bit extra for the ASUS name. If you're not worried about that, they're still good boards. Up to you.

chances fm2+ will receive a better high end

FM2+ probably isn't going anywhere, but I haven't really been keeping up on all that. I wouldn't worry about upgradability too much. Worst case scenario, you just sell the board and processor (probably together) when you upgrade instead of just the processor.

 

[krusha03]

Important thing when overclocking AMD FX, even when not but to guarantee longevity, is getting a board with a VRM heatsink and at least 6+2 VRM phases. Depending on where you live prices of boards like this differ so an FX6300 + a good board may be almost as expensive as a i5 + a cheap board. Also if you dont overclock the FX6300 and do not plan to overclock you should get a locked intel because its faster out of the box. From one side you say you are not overclocker and from another i5 + cheap board is too simple

And looking at this: http://www.viewnet.com.my/downloads/viewnet_diy_pricelist.pdf

AMD FX 6350 + MSI 970 GAMING (cheapest board that i would recommend) = 900 myr

i5 4460 + MSI B85M-E45 (cheapest board with 4 ram slots) = 920 myr

If you overclock the AMD you will need plus a cooler so the price becomes higher for the AMD build

 

[hoyoyo]

Yes. Iam no Ocer refer to getting 6350 instead of 6300 although the hz diff is quite easy to achieve by bit of oc. I5 with cheap board is simple since it have been well agreed i5 sure run good/great for games( i heard overall intel always dl better)

I want AMD for now( can i say craving ) . but i need build that suffice the task w/o too much complaining here n there.
Games that i always play is PES and Modded Skyrim and COD.

Asus board that want to get is m5a78lx v2. Cheaper board recommendation is welcome.

 

[krusha03]

That's a shitty board. I will repost here something I posted to another dude saying he wants to overclock with similar board:

Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 supports AMD FX 6300 but when overclocked the socket will heat up as the surface of the sun and will collapse on itself going supernova and smoke will come out from all vents from your case resulting in a pc looking like this

There is no cheap AMD FX board that can overclock. Unless you can ran fast, then just go to the nearest shop and grab one