I would have to disagree. I went from a 4870/4850 CF setup to a 5870 and I have to say both setups perform about the same in ideal conditions for both. 1GB frame buffer should be okay for 1080p, albeit only just. Power usage on the 4000 series cards is horrendous, yes, and inherently have a noisy fan because of it. Crossfire issues aren't guaranteed. Similar thing for me. Phenom II X2, single 4850, low settings, ran in the 20-30 FPS range for me. Don't remember what resolution the monitor was, maybe 1680x1050? For the daughter's computer. I don't think "bang for your buck" is how I'd describe a 7950 when used cards are an option. If she doesn't mind medium settings, I'd try that 6970 (which is roughly the same performance as a 5870) or a 5870. Those cards still cost a bit (~$150-200 USD), but their HD XX50 counterparts would save you a couple shillings with a minimal hit in performance. The HD 4000 series cards are mostly useless considering their lack of DirectX 10 support. I loved mine, but 200-300 watts per card and lack of DX10/OpenCL pushed me to upgrade. No one said it was a wise option, but it is the most awesome option. I actually would like to +1 this, though. The hand-me-down upgrade model isn't a particularly bad one. Edit: I just realized I was disagreeing with a moderator about the 6970 vs 7950 debate, but I think I'll hold my ground. Mindweaver, perhaps you're thinking of the 7850? The 7950 is $300 on a good day whereas the 6970 seems to go for $200-ish. Also, the 5870 and 5970 are within striking distance of each other, but the 6970 is generally priced quite a bit higher.